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Are government agents posing as DP posters?[W:73]

Are government agents posing as DP posters?


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The hens roost when the ducks are flatulent.

Only when the harvest moon smells the methane of the toads
 
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They're coming to take me away, ah ha!

Do you know that the flip side of that single was the same song backwards?
 
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Jumping queues and makin' haste, just ain't my cup of meat

Ok 009, we will send you back to Persia
 
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Seems like Israel really takes this issue seriously

Prime Minister's Office recruiting students to wage online hasbara battles

The Prime Minister's Office is planning to form, in collaboration with the National Union of Israeli Students, "covert units" within Israel's seven universities that will engage in online public diplomacy (hasbara).

The students participating in the project, who would post on social media networks such as Facebook and Twitter on Israel’s behalf, will be part of the public diplomacy arm of the PMO, but would not identify themselves as official government representatives.
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“We believe that this involves an essential tool to strengthen Israeli public diplomacy and addresses the major importance that we attach to advancing public diplomacy of the State of Israel on the social networks.”
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Prime Minister's Office recruiting students to wage online hasbara battles - National - Israel News | Haaretz
 
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What do you think?

I don't know, and I don't really care. I can't imagine any government agents being ordered to keep tabs on such a small online community, but I guess I could see some coming here on their personal time for enjoyment like the rest of us and just not admitting what they do for a living.
 
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Here's a very interesting article

Obama confidant’s spine-chilling proposal

Cass Sunstein has long been one of Barack Obama’s closest confidants. Often mentioned as a likely Obama nominee to the Supreme Court, Sunstein is currently Obama’s head of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs where, among other things, he is responsible for “overseeing policies relating to privacy, information quality, and statistical programs.” In 2008, while at Harvard Law School, Sunstein co-wrote a truly pernicious paper proposing that the U.S. Government employ teams of covert agents and pseudo-”independent” advocates to “cognitively infiltrate” online groups and websites — as well as other activist groups — which advocate views that Sunstein deems “false conspiracy theories” about the Government. This would be designed to increase citizens’ faith in government officials and undermine the credibility of conspiracists. The paper’s abstract can be read, and the full paper downloaded, here.

Sunstein advocates that the Government’s stealth infiltration should be accomplished by sending covert agents into “chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups.” He also proposes that the Government make secret payments to so-called “independent” credible voices to bolster the Government’s messaging (on the ground that those who don’t believe government sources will be more inclined to listen to those who appear independent while secretly acting on behalf of the Government). This program would target those advocating false “conspiracy theories,” which they define to mean: “an attempt to explain an event or practice by reference to the machinations of powerful people, who have also managed to conceal their role.” Sunstein’s 2008 paper was flagged by this blogger, and then amplified in an excellent report by Raw Story‘s Daniel Tencer.
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http://www.salon.com/2010/01/15/sunstein_2/

Some time ago I recall creating a poll in this section after reading something that Matthew Dooley, a U.S. military officer, was teaching at a U.S. military academy

I know this is highly speculative, but I may have an explanation for the rise of ISIL

Matthew Dooley is said to have taught a course at the Joint Forces Staff College where he advocated the following

It is therefore time for the United States to make our true intentions clear. This barbaric ideology will no longer be tolerated. Islam must change or we will facilitate its self-destruction.

I have found it particularly puzzling as to why ISIL was able to rise, and why they seem to be hell bent on doing the type of things that will hasten their destruction. It may not necessarily be the U.S., but is someone facilitating ISIL so as to destroy or damage Islam? I know that is highly speculative, but it is a rather interesting thought, and would go a long way in explaining their rapid rise.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...-using-isil-destroy-islam.html#post1064290658

I wonder...
 
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How else would our military and three-letter-agency IT manipulators practice their manipulation skills of foreign and domestic actual targets if they didn't have real life practice "dummies" to practice those skills on?

To address some of the other comments though, I would say that they use word recognition software to track for threats and actual people joining to manipulate, if they were going to manipulate any site such as this. And it wouldn't be that hard for a government agent that was doing this to join many, many of these sites, having their job be to sort of manipulate conversations or progress of threads or polls, etc. for these sites, possibly flagging certain people that the software might not notice rather than actually having the job of looking for general or obvious threats.
 
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Here's a very interesting article



Obama confidant’s spine-chilling proposal - Salon.com

Some time ago I recall creating a poll in this section after reading something that Matthew Dooley, a U.S. military officer, was teaching at a U.S. military academy



http://www.debatepolitics.com/consp...-using-isil-destroy-islam.html#post1064290658

I wonder...

Yes, Cass Sunstein has always been anti liberty. And his policies are in effect. I could name those government minions at work here, but it's probably against DP policy. His wife is our ambassador to the UN.

Sunstein said there are no
“natural” rights - all rights are the product of government, defined by
government, enforced by government, and protected by government. The
“right” to ownership of property, for example, which most people think
of as a primal right inherent to all who are born into society, is
actually a product of law..., Obama himself describes the Constitution
as “too restrictive” and “a charter of negative rights.
 
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More on Sunstein and "conspiracy truths"

Cass has written a book, On Rumors

A large concern of the author is the protection of the political elite, since with the spread of "false" rumors "people might lose faith…in their government itself." (Sunstein, 10) Though he warns that "many rumors spread conspiracy theories" (Sunstein, 7) I’d advise him to read a copy of The Ideological Origins of the American Revolution by his fellow Harvard professor Bernard Bailyn, who helpfully points out that our Founders were rabid "conspiracy theorists" and, even more to the point, urge Sunstein to look at history and the innumerable times when "conspiracy" theories proved themselves to be absolutely true.
 
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Yes, Cass Sunstein has always been anti liberty. And his policies are in effect. I could name those government minions at work here, but it's probably against DP policy. His wife is our ambassador to the UN.

Sunstein said there are no
“natural” rights - all rights are the product of government, defined by
government, enforced by government, and protected by government. The
“right” to ownership of property, for example, which most people think
of as a primal right inherent to all who are born into society, is
actually a product of law..., Obama himself describes the Constitution
as “too restrictive” and “a charter of negative rights.

Very interesting post. Mr. Sunstein's views are quite interesting indeed. They should be examined in more detail. He may become a Supreme Court justice.

Do you have any supporting material on Obama's views. That would be of great interest to me.
 
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There is a such thing as plain clothes policemen. Just saying.

Yes indeed, CSIS has taken quite the interest in this Forum. And from what I heard, on the Rumor Net, was the anonymous poster has routed their IP thru a number of Eastern European countries.
And to top it off, they post nekid as a jaybird.
 
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Very interesting post. Mr. Sunstein's views are quite interesting indeed. They should be examined in more detail. He may become a Supreme Court justice.

Do you have any supporting material on Obama's views. That would be of great interest to me.

Sure thing. I strongly recommend that you read Jonathan Turleys piece. He's a non partisan constitutional scholar. By non partisan in this instance I mean that he's equally critical, of republican and democratic policies, particularly of the past couple decades that are changing the America we all came to know and love!!!!!!!!

Below is today’s column in the Sunday Washington Post. The column addresses how the continued rollbacks on civil liberties in the United States conflicts with the view of the country as the land of the free. If we are going to adopt Chinese legal principles, we should at least have the integrity to adopt one Chinese proverb: “The beginning of wisdom is to call things by their right names.” We seem as a country to be in denial as to the implications of these laws and policies. Whether we are viewed as a free country with authoritarian inclinations or an authoritarian nation with free aspirations (or some other hybrid definition), we are clearly not what we once were. [Update: in addition to the column below, a later column in the Washington Post explores more closely the loss of free speech rights in the West].

10 Reasons The U.S. Is No Longer The Land Of The Free
1, January 15, 2012 by jonathanturley

http://jonathanturley.org/2012/01/15/10-reasons-the-u-s-is-no-longer-the-land-of-the-free/

Sunstein is a proponent of government regulated and controlled "expression"
 
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Yes indeed, CSIS has taken quite the interest in this Forum. And from what I heard, on the Rumor Net, was the anonymous poster has routed their IP thru a number of Eastern European countries.
And to top it off, they post nekid as a jaybird.

Perhaps you are joking.
 
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Perhaps you are joking.

Nope, not me. Nekid is what I was told. Clean your screen after reading certain posts from a Member is my advice.
 
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Nope, not me. Nekid is what I was told. Clean your screen after reading certain posts from a Member is my advice.

My section head ordered me to vote NO on this or I would not get my check for this months work here.
 
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I doubt it, depends on how much time they have to spare or waste. Good debates, IMO, occur here, but due to a clumsy format, take forever to read.. and so many give one word responses which can be of no value., but take up space.
 
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To bad you didn't have an option for "don't care". I would have voted. Honestly, who cares? If they want to see what I'm posting let them. Maybe some common sense will enter into their brains. ;) :mrgreen:
 
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My section head ordered me to vote NO on this or I would not get my check for this months work here.

I just finished speaking with your section head. They have been replaced. Please do not ask, but they have been shall we say "retired". You file was reviewed and an increase was well deserved. Please notify me if it is not on your next check.
 
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I just finished speaking with your section head. They have been replaced. Please do not ask, but they have been shall we say "retired". You file was reviewed and an increase was well deserved. Please notify me if it is not on your next check.

That's not what they told me, :thumbdown
 
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I just finished speaking with your section head. They have been replaced. Please do not ask, but they have been shall we say "retired". You file was reviewed and an increase was well deserved. Please notify me if it is not on your next check.

Are you perhaps the person who sits in the back left hand corner at meetings and smokes that Sherlock Holmes type pipe?

I owe you dinner and drinks. Thanks much!!!! :2wave:
 
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That's not what they told me, :thumbdown

Misinformation sad but it was necessary. You were the ideal candidate.. Though your work will be rewarded.
We have an opening as section head?
 
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Moderator's Warning:
I know you all are having fun. However lets get back on and stick to the topic please.
 
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