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    Re: Is suicide cowardly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    What a grotesque way to look at the world. In reality there is no valid reason for suicide. The inherent dignity of human personhood does not permit it.
    said everyone until in they're in stage 4 cancer - there is no dignity, or personhood for that matter, in pointless suffering

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    Re: Is suicide cowardly?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I don't see suicide as a cowardly act but in many cases it could be viewed as a selfish act.
    I've never felt that desperate or hopeless to want to take my life and never will. I think faith has a lot to do with that one which in itself gives one hope.
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    Traumatic brain injury
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    Fast Facts:
    • Autopsies of combat veterans who survived IEDs and later died of other causes reveal a unique pattern of injuries in parts of the brain involved in decision making, memory, reasoning and other executive functions.
    • The honeycomb pattern of IED survivors’ brain injury is different than the effects of motor vehicle crashes, opiate overdoses or punch-drunk syndrome

    After Wartime TBI Or Concussion, Psychological (Not Cognitive) Symptoms Predict Which Soldiers Suffer Long-Term Disability

    Twenty percent of those deployed in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan suffered a head injury. Of these, the greater portion (83 percent) endured either a concussion or TBI (traumatic brain injury). Researchers at Washington University partnered with the U.S. military and the Naval Medical Center Portsmouth in Virginia to study the effects of such injuries.
    For the study, 72 total participants, including 34 controls and 38 TBI patients, completed an initial evaluation in Afghanistan (within one week after the head trauma for the injured), and a follow-up exam six months to a year later in Saint Louis. The participants' ages ranged from 19 to 44. While the two groups were very similar, their exact demographic characteristics were not identical.
    So as your brain lose function, you are at age 25 to 35, and will end up in a long term facility with having no basic abilities to even care for yourself. Looking at 30, 40 years in a bed, possibly/probably restrained and such.
    Onset of can be quite quick.
    What do you think many Soldiers do when confronted with this?
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    Re: Is suicide cowardly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Oh and fyi, the world is not experiencing an over-population problem. According to scientists our worlds maximum "carry" ability is about 9-10 billion which is going to take about another 50-100 years before it hits that at current birth rates. However also according to scientists our worlds birth rate is declining. So by the time we do hit 9-10 billion it will have leveled off to the point where human beings are no longer expanding population wise.

    Of course with in 50-100 years I expect, if we played our cards right of course, that we'll have a colony on both Mars and the Moon. Of course I won't hold my breath on that though. But technology wise we could definitely have the ability to be there, particularly since we have the ability now...just don't want to pay for it. I expect that to change though once we do start hitting our peak sustainable level. Either that or a WW happens and our numbers are drastically reduced. So ultimately this is a non-issue.
    Quality of life matters, and i would hate to be around during when capacity is reached. People already have to wear masks in the streets in major cities/pollution centers. Driving by gary indiana i almost threw up

    It's not just about people either. Another prediction is that by 2100, there will be another 'mass extinction,' brought on entirely by humans. Almost all non-insect species will be gone.

    And move to Mars, why? So we can **** up that planet too?

    We should maybe set up an 'age maximum' where the elderly are given hemlock or some such, along with a forced castration program

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    Re: Is suicide cowardly?

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    funny cause it's often the "loved ones" who drive them to suicide

    as if it's not selfish either to expect someone to continue suffering for one's own benefit
    And it isn't uncommon for someone to think they're either being a burden, or to think that their loved ones would be better off without them. That's not selfish at all.
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    Re: Is suicide cowardly?

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    OK here goes
    Traumatic brain injury
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    After Wartime TBI Or Concussion, Psychological (Not Cognitive) Symptoms Predict Which Soldiers Suffer Long-Term Disability



    So as your brain lose function, you are at age 25 to 35, and will end up in a long term facility with having no basic abilities to even care for yourself. Looking at 30, 40 years in a bed, possibly/probably restrained and such.
    Onset of can be quite quick.
    What do you think many Soldiers do when confronted with this?
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    That's a very hard place to be......but many take their own lives because the are so wrapped up in their own pain, whether it be mental of physical. Self. One way to break through that is to start doing for others, giving yourself to those around you who are in need taking the focus off self and focus on another. You know I watched people with terminal illness which involved a need for pain medication just to tolerate it use their time that was limited, instead of ending their life because of it spent their final days giving in what capacity they could to others. It's been a great life lesson for me should I reach that point one day.

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    Re: Is suicide cowardly?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
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    That's a very hard place to be......but many take their own lives because the are so wrapped up in their own pain, whether it be mental of physical. Self..
    Yeah, that's because they need help, not scorn.
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    Re: Is suicide cowardly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Yeah, that's because they need help, not scorn.
    Fiddytree, I am nobody's judge. I leave that to someone much greater than me. But in observation, I have known of folks who took their own life when they had so much to live for. And bottom line it had to do with being focused on self. What a waste.

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    Re: Is suicide cowardly?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Fiddytree, I am nobody's judge. I leave that to someone much greater than me. But in observation, I have known of folks who took their own life when they had so much to live for. And bottom line it had to do with being focused on self. What a waste.
    So why the scorn? They needed help and support to get through the issues they were dealing with. I have no idea what point people have when they say folks like me were/ are focused on their problems. Well, yes, that's the most basic component of depression and suicidal intentions. There's many reasons for that, including a chemical imbalance. In addition to any medications or even restrictive placements, You have to work on getting that persons concept of self and their support structures back in place to help remove the likelihood of suicide.

    Just because you are confident and content with life doesn't somehow mean that those of us who tragically experience a different view are assholes. We need help, not your indignations.
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    Re: Is suicide cowardly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    So why the scorn? They needed help and support to get through the issues they were dealing with. I have no idea what point people have when they say folks like me were/ are focused on their problems. Well, yes, that's the most basic component of depression and suicidal intentions. There's many reasons for that, including a chemical imbalance. In addition to any medications or even restrictive placements, You have to work on getting that persons concept of self and their support structures back in place to help remove the likelihood of suicide.
    What scorn Fiddytree? Just stating observations I have encounter over the years and know those who are wallowing in self pity and reach a point of hopelessness could find hope in helping another which takes the focus off of them. If their imbalance is due to a drug, the doctors should do a better job in caring for their patients.
    Just because you are confident and content with life doesn't somehow mean that those of us who tragically experience a different view are assholes. We need help, not your indignations.
    I'm not calling anyone an asshole. What I have simply stated is that when those who are depressed and see no hope, go help another. In doing so you will find new hope.

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    Re: Is suicide cowardly?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    What scorn Fiddytree? Just stating observations I have encounter over the years and know those who are wallowing in self pity and reach a point of hopelessness could find hope in helping another which takes the focus off of them. If their imbalance is due to a drug, the doctors should do a better job in caring for their patients.

    I'm not calling anyone an asshole. What I have simply stated is that when those who are depressed and see no hope, go help another. In doing so you will find new hope.
    Your linguistics continue to show a disconnect between your perception of how you come across and how you actually comes across. You never tell people this is selfish, because it only continues the stigmatization of mental illness, forcing people to hide their problems in front of others and make them feel ashamed of their depression and suicide. All the meanwhile there's little that is promoted to ensure that person has a healthier profile.

    While it is always good to help others you can't merely say that they should stop wallowing in self pity and just help others. You often have to address problems in their own lives and their perceptions of self to get anywhere. The chemical imbalance issue is in reference to an existing chemical imbalance that is often corrected by medications, healthy diets, exercise, and so on.

    You don't usually help the depressed and suicidal by having a cavalier attitude toward their sufferings. They often need to make sure it is addressed head on. And many times it will always be with them, coming in waves, sometimes fine for years and then a wave hits and it is with them for another period of time.
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