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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    If they can afford it. If not, it should be the hospital's call. This should be the same for every case, if they can't afford hilariously expensive treatment to stay alive they shouldn't get it.

    A hospital had to ****ing keep an anancephalic baby alive for as long as possible because the ****ing parents said so. People need to pay for their ****, I don't care what it is.

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    ****ing bull**** if you ask me. I can care less who you are and the sanctity blah. Pay for the service you use, that is what responsible human beings should do.

    If the hopsital wants to provide their service free of charge then fine, otherwise, pay up.

    So you think that medical professionals should check if a patient can pay before they perform medical care?

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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post



    It would require LESS revenue, as is the case in every first world nation with national healthcare, all of which pay dramatically less than we do.

    It blows my mind that so called fiscal conservatives would advocate for a system that costs MORE.
    you are saying if the government instituted a new program, it going to cost government less money then government is currently spending right now?
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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The care is an emergency but the provider is virtually forced to add that cost to the bills of its other patients, while the SNAP cost is born by a carefully selected subset of the population (the taxpayers). You only address whether the cost of ER service should be required in advance, not why it should be born by the provider and passed on to others as the provider sees fit rather than paid using a progressive (and quite selective) means.
    I'm sorry I have no solution to for profit hospitals recovering indigent funds from the county, state, or federal government. Hospitals can not even get reimbursement for medicaid and medicare cost from the state and federal government. Seems if Congress does not address the issue...it does not exist.


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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you are saying if the government instituted a new program, it going to cost government less money then government is currently spending right now?
    Yes, as was the case in every first world nation that's implemented universal healthcare, or some version of it. Are you saying that the government can never, ever, ever make a change that would make our healthcare system cost less?

    Do you think our healthcare system is perfect and super affordable?
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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Yes, as was the case in every first world nation that's implemented universal healthcare, or some version of it. Are you saying that the government can never, ever, ever make a change that would make our healthcare system cost less?

    Do you think our healthcare system is perfect and super affordable?
    everything government has created cost more......name programs for me which go down in cost every year

    government is a creator of debt..it does not create wealth.

    the last part of your statement, has no bearing on my post...and only your personal obsevation.
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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Using that logic the poor do not necessarily have the right to police protection from someone who is beating them up or about to shoot them.
    Actually it's about the perp's entitlement to a free beating from the police.
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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    everything government has created cost more......name programs for me which go down in cost every year

    government is a creator of debt..it does not create wealth.

    the last part of your statement, has no bearing on my post...and only you personal obsevation.
    See, but you're arguing from the fundamentalist position that nothing the government can do can ever be cheaper. Our healthcare system isn't perfect, in fact, it has a lot of very large flaws. Why should we not be discussing about what we can do to make it better and cheaper? Do you think it would be a good thing if everyone had health insurance?

    It is fact that many other countries have shown that they can provide universal coverage for cheaper than we provide coverage to only a fraction of the population. Do you think that's impossible here? Why do you refuse to even discuss the possibility?
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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    See, but you're arguing from the fundamentalist position that nothing the government can do can ever be cheaper. Our healthcare system isn't perfect, in fact, it has a lot of very large flaws. Why should we not be discussing about what we can do to make it better and cheaper? Do you think it would be a good thing if everyone had health insurance?

    It is fact that many other countries have shown that they can provide universal coverage for cheaper than we provide coverage to only a fraction of the population. Do you think that's impossible here? Why do you refuse to even discuss the possibility?
    you argument for our healthcare system being bad was not part of the conversation i made, our system does have problems... however from the medicine, material side .....it is the best in the world.

    our system of government and programs works in a simple aspect.....government budgets a program so much money a year, if the program does not spend all of its budget for the year and has money left over then they are not slated for an increase in next years spending, this is why in September all federal programs do a mad dash to spend as much money has they have left of their budget...which is why programs always increase.

    no government program wants to have its budget reduced......they want to be included in governments base line budgeting for the next fiscal year, getting additional spending money.

    if a national healthcare system is created, the cost will continue to go up and up, these are facts by looking at our government history of spending

    the federal government is already deep in debt, and it really has no source of new revenue that the people would approve of...accept those who do not share the federal tax burden.
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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    The thread should have at least started off with the law, here:

    Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Using that logic the poor do not necessarily have the right to police protection from someone who is beating them up or about to shoot them.
    No It isn't.
    The police are Government actors.

    And it is a failed argument at that.

    Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone
    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/po.../28scotus.html

    No such duty, no such "right".


    On the other hand, a hospital is a private actor.

    You are hiring the Hospital staff to be your actors to interfere with your natural life, just as you could hire body guards to protect you from harm.
    But you are not entitled to them.


    Which is all irrelevant to the point made. "A right to life does not include a right to outside interference to sustain it."
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