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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Then what good is ACA?
    Not much IMO. We need single payer nationalized healthcare.
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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    As I already pointed out to you, and you ignored, universal healthcare is dramatically cheaper than our system.

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    So the real question is, if providing universal care is cheaper for the country as a whole, why would you let people die to pay more? This really has to do with your hard line beliefs and not actual facts or economics.

    It's easy for you to sit back on your parents insurance and whine about the "takers" when you've never worked a day in your life. Please grow up and mature.
    By that measure (alone) then Germany sucks when compared to Mexico.
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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Do you think the poor have a right to life, and therefore emergency medical care?
    Since you specify "poor" in your OP and your poll, does that mean you place some distinction between poor and not poor? Do you allow a condition in which hospitals should not be forced to give emergency care to the not poor?
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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    They already DO provide emergency care to the poor, it's been a requirement for decades. The problem is not in having to provide care for the poor, but that in so many cases, it's not a true emergency, so the hospitals are providing care based on liability fears, and to protect their own asses, and everyone else is absorbing the cost.
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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Fascinating. So you oppose universal healthcare, then when someone who can't afford the "hilariously expensive" treatment, you tell them they can just die, be it man, woman, or child. Your lack of empathy for your fellow human beings is absolutely mind-blowing.

    "Oh, you've got a gunshot wound and we could easily help you? Sorry, you better bleed out on the ground bitch because you don't have the cash."
    If its a private institution uncompensated by anyone, I agree with Luftwaffe, its their call as to what they wish to do. As far as empathy goes if I don't know why should I care about you? Hell even if I did know you why should I care about you?
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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    What could be dramatically cheaper than "free" Medicaid or ER care? Does a non-poor German pay more or less taxes than a non-poor American?
    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    By that measure (alone) then Germany sucks when compared to Mexico.
    You've misunderstood. The healthcare system in Germany as a whole (hospitals, insurance, everything) costs dramatically less than the US, and the difference is that every citizen in Germany has health insurance and access to care, while we have tens of millions of Americans who have none whatsoever, and for the people who do have care, they can still be refused service or charged hundreds of thousands of dollars.

    We're paying MORE for LESS compared to other countries and you people want to try to make an economic argument. It's absolutely absurd.

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    If its a private institution uncompensated by anyone, I agree with Luftwaffe, its their call as to what they wish to do. As far as empathy goes if I don't know why should I care about you? Hell even if I did know you why should I care about you?
    That's why we as a society need to come up with a solution so that the lives of individuals don't fall down to the selfish decisions of private businesses. Just about every other first world country has universal coverage, and they're paying less than we are. I can also promise you that hospital owners in Europe aren't poor and enslaved by tyranny.

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    They already DO provide emergency care to the poor, it's been a requirement for decades. The problem is not in having to provide care for the poor, but that in so many cases, it's not a true emergency, so the hospitals are providing care based on liability fears, and to protect their own asses, and everyone else is absorbing the cost.
    Which was one of the spurring factors of Obamacare. We have the moral obligation not to turn someone in trouble away, but if they can't afford it the costs go to someone else. That's one of the major problems that healthcare reform is trying to fix.
    Last edited by RabidAlpaca; 03-17-15 at 10:40 AM.

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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    The answer to your poll question is obviously 'no.' And your post just represents bogus package dealing. Yes, the poor have a right to life, but medical care does not exist in nature nor grow on trees. It has to be provided by other humans. This may surprise you, but no one has a 'right' to another mans labor.
    i agreed with you here to a point. BUT.

    regulations are made to secure rights, states do have the power to regulate business, which is what a hospital is and in becoming a doctor someone in the field of health one takes an Hippocratic oath to care for those that need help, .......that being emergency care in this case.

    no one should force to care for people when it is something which is not an emergency, not life treating.
    Last edited by Master PO; 03-17-15 at 11:04 AM.

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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    It's easy for you to sit back on your parents insurance and whine about the "takers" when you've never worked a day in your life. Please grow up and mature.
    Same old same old ****. Try something new for your upstairs smack.

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    You don't know me.

    Besides, this summer I'll be getting a part time job.

    And you know what?

    When I go into the work force full time my opinion is going to stay exactly the same. If you need health care, pay for it yourself instead of taking from others. That is because I don't believe in leeching like you do.
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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Do you think the poor have a right to life, and therefore emergency medical care?


    The U.S. government thinks that those who can't afford to pay have a right to emergency medical care.

    Hospitals have been providing this for a long time.

    This is nothing new. This subject has been plowed more than Paris Hilton.

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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    The answer to your poll question is obviously 'no.' And your post just represents bogus package dealing. Yes, the poor have a right to life, but medical care does not exist in nature nor grow on trees. It has to be provided by other humans. This may surprise you, but no one has a 'right' to another mans labor.


    Tell that to the government that can draft you and send you to war.

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