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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Emergency care like unconscious male delivered in from being run over? Of course. That could be you.
    Or you mean drunk comes in with a fever? Then ask Obamacare for his insurance.
    What if the person isn't dying f they do not receive immediate treatment but will die next week if they do not receive treatment today? What if that fever is the result of an infection that is about to become septic and potentially fatal? How would you know without doing all the expensive tests just to give them the antibiotic prescription? It can be more complicated a call in the less obvious cases.
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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    What if the person isn't dying f they do not receive immediate treatment but will die next week if they do not receive treatment today? What if that fever is the result of an infection that is about to become septic and potentially fatal? How would you know without doing all the expensive tests just to give them the antibiotic prescription? It can be more complicated a call in the less obvious cases.
    I guess, if it is Jane Doe, we will have to treat her till she wakes up. If that takes too long, you call the ACA people and ask how much they are willing to pay. But the hospital must be out of it, since ACA is in. You cannot have general insurance and free treatment. That would be schnookery.

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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Only real emergencies and even then, emergency rooms should not be a loophole for allowing these lazy dumbasses further care.
    Be sure to work hard and get lots of overtime. People on welfare want more steaks and free upgrades to smart phones with unlimited data packages.

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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stoney View Post
    Non of your examples were applicable in the USA prior to universal health care which proves its not necessary to achieve the OP's apparent goal. It was and is however a great argument that suggests a need that does not exist.
    I have no idea what you're talking about. Are you saying 'everyone is insured, thus no problem', or that 'you don't care, thus no problem'? Regardless of what side you're on, you have to admit that our system is incredibly ineffecient, expensive and many Americans are dying or going broke because of the astronomically and unnecessarily high cost of our health care.

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Yet, the next step with that argument is that someone (the "rich"?) must pay for that care whether they use that care or not so that whoever needs care need not pay. That system works only so long as the cost of care can be fixed, such as we now do via police and fire fighting budgets - the fixed funds then provide for a fixed number of (government paid?) care providers and thus establish the level of "universal" care. Note the rarity of private police and fire fighting providers.
    That is completely incorrect. The other modern western countries in the world who all have healthcare systems where just about every citizen is covered have shown that this model is dramatically cheaper than ours. In Germany every single person is insured and the entire medical system costs less than half of what it does in the US. This isn't a zero sum game, it's possible for an entire country to benefit from changes.

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Only real emergencies and even then, emergency rooms should not be a loophole for allowing these lazy dumbasses further care.
    Do you believe that everyone who doesn't have insurance is a lazy dumbass?
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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I guess, if it is Jane Doe, we will have to treat her till she wakes up. If that takes too long, you call the ACA people and ask how much they are willing to pay. But the hospital must be out of it, since ACA is in. You cannot have general insurance and free treatment. That would be schnookery.
    Why? We still have more uninsured people than were newly insured by the PPACA?
    If I blow the conch and they don't come back; then we've had it. We shan't keep the fire going. We'll be like animals. We'll never be rescued.

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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Most do this voluntarily - you might want to research first prior to posting.
    You think this is voluntarily? What do you think would happen if their were no legal ramifications to patient dumping?

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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    If they can afford it. If not, it should be the hospital's call. This should be the same for every case, if they can't afford hilariously expensive treatment to stay alive they shouldn't get it.
    You realize he asked about emergency care, right? It's beyond ****ed up to argue that people's survival should be tied to how much money they have. That's such a sick way to think. Wow.

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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Why? We still have more uninsured people than were newly insured by the PPACA?
    Then what good is ACA?

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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    What if the person was a mass murderer? What if it was hopeless case (anancephalic baby)? Should we bankrupt the government in such a way?

    I think not, I don't care if it was one of my relatives who would die otherwise, exception making is weakness and unethical, and so is this.
    As I already pointed out to you, and you ignored, universal healthcare is dramatically cheaper than our system.

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    So the real question is, if providing universal care is cheaper for the country as a whole, why would you let people die to pay more? This really has to do with your hard line beliefs and not actual facts or economics.

    It's easy for you to sit back on your parents insurance and whine about the "takers" when you've never worked a day in your life. Please grow up and mature.
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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I have no idea what you're talking about. Are you saying 'everyone is insured, thus no problem', or that 'you don't care, thus no problem'? Regardless of what side you're on, you have to admit that our system is incredibly ineffecient, expensive and many Americans are dying or going broke because of the astronomically and unnecessarily high cost of our health care.



    That is completely incorrect. The other modern western countries in the world who all have healthcare systems where just about every citizen is covered have shown that this model is dramatically cheaper than ours. In Germany every single person is insured and the entire medical system costs less than half of what it does in the US. This isn't a zero sum game, it's possible for an entire country to benefit from changes.



    Do you believe that everyone who doesn't have insurance is a lazy dumbass?
    What could be dramatically cheaper than "free" Medicaid or ER care? Does a non-poor German pay more or less taxes than a non-poor American?
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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