View Poll Results: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

Voters
99. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes

    81 81.82%
  • No

    8 8.08%
  • Maybe

    9 9.09%
  • Don't know

    1 1.01%
Page 30 of 32 FirstFirst ... 202829303132 LastLast
Results 291 to 300 of 312

Thread: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

  1. #291
    Sage

    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:03 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    53,465

    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by wanderlust View Post
    But the prices aren't really low though unless you have good insurance and even then depending on the procedure it can still take you years if not decades to pay off all because of something that was totally out of your control. All I am saying is that there has to be a better way.
    Having people get healthcare for free just causes prices to increase as the hospital has to make up what they lost from providing the free treatment elsewhere. I know people think Reagan had his heart in the right place by ordering hospitals to treat people that couldn't pay, but it was very bad decision on his part that only made the problem worse by making it so even more people couldn't afford care.

    What needs to happen is government needs to stop subsidizing and requiring employers to provide healthcare insurance for their employees. The current system provides people with no incentive to shop for value and thus price competition is all but eliminated from the market. The current system does however provide a huge instinctive for hospitals to mark up their prices as they know insurance companies will pay them. Not only that but due to the ability of hospitals to make insurance companies pay doctors will make sure to provide wasteful defensive medicine, so they can get even more money. What needs to happen is that people need to pay in full for their own treatment, so doctors are forced to be upfront and honest in their pricing.

  2. #292
    Sage
    Medusa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    Turkey
    Last Seen
    Today @ 05:35 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    36,317

    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You could have attacked his position on the two issues in a far better way. As your argument stands you show a fundamental misunderstanding of what the right to life means. The right to life means that you have a right to be free of aggression towards your life, not that you have a right to healthcare treatment from another persson.
    if they refuse to cure you it really means an agression .
    "Sovereignty is not given, it is taken." ATATÜRK

  3. #293
    User wanderlust's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Location
    In the sunshine
    Last Seen
    09-18-16 @ 07:29 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    74

    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Having people get healthcare for free just causes prices to increase as the hospital has to make up what they lost from providing the free treatment elsewhere. I know people think Reagan had his heart in the right place by ordering hospitals to treat people that couldn't pay, but it was very bad decision on his part that only made the problem worse by making it so even more people couldn't afford care.

    What needs to happen is government needs to stop subsidizing and requiring employers to provide healthcare insurance for their employees. The current system provides people with no incentive to shop for value and thus price competition is all but eliminated from the market. The current system does however provide a huge instinctive for hospitals to mark up their prices as they know insurance companies will pay them. Not only that but due to the ability of hospitals to make insurance companies pay doctors will make sure to provide wasteful defensive medicine, so they can get even more money. What needs to happen is that people need to pay in full for their own treatment, so doctors are forced to be upfront and honest in their pricing.
    Ok but what if they can'f afford to pay a bill of $10,000 or more? What if someone is doing everything they can to make a living and going paycheck to paycheck and healthy as they can assume to be only to develop a medical condition needing urgent medical care, then what? If they can't pay the bill upfront and it will take decades to pay it off is that really the best system?

  4. #294
    Sage

    Join Date
    May 2011
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:26 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    7,486

    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Another way of wording this question would be "should we repeal EMTALA?" It was signed into law by Reagan.

    Another way of wording it would be "should emergency care be considered a public good?"

    If it should be considered a public good, everything about it needs to be funded via taxes collected by the government that establishes it as a public good. Having for-profit entities deliver this public good will not work.

    A central problem to regarding emergency care as a public good is that it is a variable individual benefit with potentially infinite cost, not a general benefit that provides for welfare generally. A related problem is that people will use this entitlement to get care for non-emergencies. Sometimes they're overtly malingering, other times they don't know if their symptoms constitute an emergency or not. Ask an ER provider how many patients they get complaining of shortness of breath or chest pains or dizziness that end up being nothing, a pulled muscle, an anxiety episode or some other benign non-emergency. Ruling emergencies out requires expensive tests, and tort risk compels providers to be exhaustive because if a discharged patient dies on the way home they will get sued.
    "The knowledge and prudence of the poor themselves, are absolutely the only means by which any general and permanent improvement in their condition can be effected." - Thomas Malthus

  5. #295
    Sage

    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:03 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    53,465

    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    if they refuse to cure you it really means an agression .
    No, being refused service is neither aggressive or violent behavior. You are not attacked or forced to do anything when someone turns you away.

  6. #296
    Sage
    Medusa's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Location
    Turkey
    Last Seen
    Today @ 05:35 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    36,317

    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, being refused service is neither aggressive or violent behavior. You are not attacked or forced to do anything when someone turns you away.
    you may lose your life
    "Sovereignty is not given, it is taken." ATATÜRK

  7. #297
    Wrinkly member
    Manc Skipper's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Southern England
    Last Seen
    Today @ 04:50 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Liberal
    Posts
    19,504

    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Why would a hospital turn away the sick? Or want to?
    Don't work out, work in.

    Never eat anything that's served in a bucket.

  8. #298
    stb
    Nilly's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Location
    AZ
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:47 PM
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    4,328

    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Why would a hospital turn away the sick? Or want to?
    Why should a doctor work for free?

    Fyi: I'm a proponent of a nationalized healthcare system but I don't believe that any doctor should be forced to care for anyone. They should be well paid for that services, whether by the receiver of care or by the taxpayer.
    "Education is the only thing you can do that will change society. Everything else is just a band-aid." - Jacqueline de Chollet
    "Boys will be boys. But boys will not be president." - Ronald Regan

  9. #299
    Wrinkly member
    Manc Skipper's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Southern England
    Last Seen
    Today @ 04:50 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Liberal
    Posts
    19,504

    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    The Hippocratic oath makes no mention of payment.
    Don't work out, work in.

    Never eat anything that's served in a bucket.

  10. #300
    Sage

    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:03 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    53,465

    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    you may lose your life
    Yes, I might die from the condition I came to them with if they turn me away.

Page 30 of 32 FirstFirst ... 202829303132 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •