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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    well right to life is not right to emergency care but with that side I do think hospitals should have to save lives and give emergency care.

    This is based on the assumption we are talking immediate life threatening, critical care etc.

    It should definitely not be legal for EMS/Hospitals to refuse to save lives based on insurance/money.

    Again I'm talking emergency care.
    Through the democratic process we have decided that emergency care must be provided. This could be withdrawn by an act of the legislature. If it's a right then the legislature can't do that. That's the rub.

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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    It's the law, but it's not a right. It's humanitarian, but not because it's a right.
    I didn't say it was a right. I said it is the right thing to do, and as the right thing to do, not doing it shouldn't be discussed, and it's the law, so both of those things trump your argument. Other than that, no person, group or country for that matter has any rights that they lack the power to force. Only by a measure of force, whether political, economic or violence/militarily can one hold a right.
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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Emergency care is a humanitarian given, it's also the law since the Reagan administration.
    Why did you bold the word emergency as if it matters? Forcing someone to provide someone else care still violates their rights even in an emergency situation.

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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I didn't say it was a right. I said it is the right thing to do, and as the right thing to do, not doing it shouldn't be discussed, and it's the law, so both of those things trump your argument. Other than that, no person, group or country for that matter has any rights that they lack the power to force. Only by a measure of force, whether political, economic or violence/militarily can one hold a right.
    Lol, so it being the right thing to do means people should be forced to do it? I love how people are lazy with their logic sometimes.

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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    If you have a right to receive something of value from me then why stop at free medical care?
    and thats where the failure and illogical part is since i never said i have the right to receive something from you. Try to stick to things that were actually said
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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Through the democratic process we have decided that emergency care must be provided. This could be withdrawn by an act of the legislature. If it's a right then the legislature can't do that. That's the rub.
    again, where did i say anything regarding this topic was a right? I never did so theres the rub.
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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    again, where did i say anything regarding this topic was a right? I never did so theres the rub.
    If you don't have the right to receive care why should it be mandated?

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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Concrete thinking. All three are things of value.
    doesnt make them the same in any regard to this topic and value is subjective
    The comparison makes no sense and is completely illogical. Its one of the worst slippery slope fallacies i have ever seen.
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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Do you think the poor have a right to life, and therefore emergency medical care?
    I think you have mixed three wholly seperate arguments.

    Should hospitals be forced to provide emergency medical care to the poor? No. I do think a responsible hospital should provide emergency care to the needy on a voluntary basis - it's their mission. "Making" them do it demeans their value of preserving life.

    Do I think the poor have a right to life? Absolutely; if you kill a poor person you should be tried and convicted the same as if you murdered a rich person.

    Do I think the poor have a right to emergency medical care? I don't think I do. I see emergency medical care as a gift and a priviledge. If you can afford it, it is a priviledge paid for. If you can't afford it, it is a gift given out of compassion by those who value your life.

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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    If you don't have the right to receive care why should it be mandated?
    correct you don't have the right to receive care nor do i want "receiving care" mandated
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