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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Let's take this a little further:

    The poor have a right to life, therefore:

    They have a right to free medical care.

    By that light they have a right to free food, clothing and shelter and the rest of us are forced to provide it.

    No, there can be no right to medical care because it would mean other people are forced to provide that care, other people are stripped of their rights. What if the others refused to provide that care? Would they be thrown in jail? You can't enslave one group to provide for another.

    In our society we often choose to care for poor people out of a sense of charity. We choose to do this through the democratic process in which our preferences are represented. But if that care is a right then there's no choice about whether to provide it. This is not sustainable.
    Comparing free food and clothing with emergency medical care is ridiculous.

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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Let's take this a little further:

    The poor have a right to life, therefore:

    They have a right to free medical care.

    By that light they have a right to free food, clothing and shelter and the rest of us are forced to provide it.

    No, there can be no right to medical care because it would mean other people are forced to provide that care, other people are stripped of their rights. What if the others refused to provide that care? Would they be thrown in jail? You can't enslave one group to provide for another.

    In our society we often choose to care for poor people out of a sense of charity. We choose to do this through the democratic process in which our preferences are represented. But if that care is a right then there's no choice about whether to provide it. This is not sustainable.
    Emergency care is a humanitarian given, it's also the law since the Reagan administration.
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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Hmmm... I wonder... if forcing someone to provide medical care against their wishes is wrong, what does this mean regarding taxes?

    Taxes are decided through the democratic process in which we are all represented. Of course, paying taxes is the law, but we get to help decide what the law is. Declaring medical care a right is totally different. In that case we the people would have no choice about whether or not to provide it. We do choose to help poor people out, but that's not because they have a right to that help.

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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Emergency care is a humanitarian given, it's also the law since the Reagan administration.
    It's the law, but it's not a right. It's humanitarian, but not because it's a right.

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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Comparing free food and clothing with emergency medical care is ridiculous.
    It's completely on point. In all three cases someone else is being forced to provide it because it's someone's "right" to have it because they have a "right to life" by your lights. It is an execrable concept.

    You have a right to be free of unwarranted intrusion and harm. That's all.

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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Do you think the poor have a right to life, and therefore emergency medical care?
    well right to life is not right to emergency care but with that side I do think hospitals should have to save lives and give emergency care.

    This is based on the assumption we are talking immediate life threatening, critical care etc.

    It should definitely not be legal for EMS/Hospitals to refuse to save lives based on insurance/money.

    Again I'm talking emergency care.
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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    It's completely on point. In all three cases someone else is being forced to provide it because it's someone's "right" to have it because they have a "right to life" by your lights.
    No it is not on point. Emergency medical care and free food and clothes are COMPLETELY different things.

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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Comparing free food and clothing with emergency medical care is ridiculous.
    agreed, while right to life doesn't mean a right to emergency medical care, making a comparison to that care to free food, clothing housing etc makes no logical sense whatsoever. Its one of the worse slipper slope fallacies i have ever seen.
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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    No it is not on point. Emergency medical care and free food and clothes are COMPLETELY different things.
    Concrete thinking. All three are things of value.

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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    agreed, while right to life doesn't mean a right to emergency medical care, making a comparison to that care to free food, clothing housing etc makes no logical sense whatsoever. Its one of the worse slipper slope fallacies i have ever seen.
    If you have a right to receive something of value from me then why stop at free medical care?

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