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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I am discussing whether that right should only apply after you have no assets to seize. Why should some be forced to pay for what others get for free as a "right"? Rights apply to all not just some.
    The point is that government can force hospitals to give emergency medical care to citizens regardless of their ability to pay. If they can pay for it, they should pay for it, if they cannot they should get it regardless. Furthermore the government should compensate hospitals that do so in some fashion for their services.
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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    The government forces people to do things all the time. Believe me, I would certainly not pay taxes if the government did not force me to. Forcing hospitals to give emergency care for the poor supports the right of the poor to life, and a government that forces a hospital to provide such care is therefore just in doing so.
    You wouldn't pay taxes if you weren't forced to, even though your taxes go to help the poor. BUT you want other people (hospital workers) to be forced into giving up their labor, their supplies, their time, their money, and so on, to help the poor.

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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    The point is that government can force hospitals to give emergency medical care to citizens regardless of their ability to pay. If they can pay for it, they should pay for it, if they cannot they should get it regardless. Furthermore the government should compensate hospitals that do so in some fashion for there services.
    I agree with your last statement which would make the first largely unnecessary. Maybe we should model health care after education - everyone gets free access to the public facilities and those that prefer (and can afford) a better option can do so at their own expense.
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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    All American citizens should receive equal medical care and treatment at the hospital regardless of assets, income, or insurance.
    With that being said, I am not opposed to also having private doctors that are not eligible to receive payment from the system, but can charge their own rate and method of payment.
    So long as the system provides equal medical treatment for the majority of citizens.

    I am fine with our current emergency room policy as it applies to illegal aliens. But for citizens of this nation, the current system is utterly unacceptable and repulsive.

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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare,and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
    1... the preamble conveys no power....it not a clause but an introductory statement.

    2..... the general welfare is not that which concerns the personal life's of the people, but that of the Union.

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    federalist 45- The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government, are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most part, be connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.
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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoist View Post
    France spends 50% less than USA per capita when it comes to health care.

    as i stated before show me a federal program, which goes down in cost every year.

    our system of government and programs works in a simple aspect.....government budgets a program so much money a year, if the program does not spend all of its budget for the year and has money left over then they are not slated for an increase in next years spending, this is why in September all federal programs do a mad dash to spend as much money has they have left of their budget...which is why programs always increase. no government program wants to have its budget reduced......they want to be included in governments base line budgeting for the next fiscal year, getting additional spending money.

    if a national healthcare system is created, the cost will continue to go up and up, these are facts by looking at our government history of spending

    the federal government is already deep in debt, and it really has no source of new revenue that the people would approve of...accept those who do not share the federal tax burden.
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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Do you think the poor have a right to life, and therefore emergency medical care?
    Hospitals cannot turn away people who need emergency care.

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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Do you think the poor have a right to life, and therefore emergency medical care?
    seeking to be a doctor is a right.

    being a doctor is not a right, its privilege, because you are a licensed professional, and you take an oath to help people.....when a person is licensed he must adhere to the the regulations of government.

    a hospital is a business, not like any other business, where the usual business requires a license in the form of a tax i. d. only to operate...... a hospital requires more licensing to be in business, and which it has more then a license then for tax purposes, government has there authority to set regulatiosn on it when it comes medical care.
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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    The point is that government can force hospitals to give emergency medical care to citizens regardless of their ability to pay. If they can pay for it, they should pay for it, if they cannot they should get it regardless. Furthermore the government should compensate hospitals that do so in some fashion for their services.
    Actually, no, they cannot. EMTALA only applies to hospitals and clinics who accept government payments.

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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Hospitals cannot turn away people who need emergency care.
    Yes they can, if they are a private hospital or clinic not taking government payments.

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