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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I disagree with you in the strongest terms. Giving the poor emergency health care allows them to sustain their life, and as such has everything to do with the right to life.
    Why do only the poor have this right? Many become poor by incurring medical expenses - what about their rights?
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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    No it means that we have a disagreement on the role of government in supporting the rights of citizens to live.
    Yes. I want the government to support the natural human right to life.

    You want the government to support your imaginary "right to healthcare" which violates the natural human right to property. You deliberately calling it the wrong thing doesn't change anything.

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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Why do only the poor have this right? Many become poor by incurring medical expenses - what about their rights?
    I did not say that the whether or not right is exclusive to the poor. I am discussing the issue of the government forcing hospitals to provide emergency care for the poor.

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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Yes. I want the government to support the natural human right to life.

    You want the government to support your imaginary "right to healthcare" which violates the natural human right to property. You deliberately calling it the wrong thing doesn't change anything.
    Providing emergency health care to the poor allows them to sustain their life. Therefore requiring hospitals to provide such emergency care supports the right of the poor to live. The problem with your thinking is that it values the service of emergency care more than it values the life of the poor. Therefore you cannot acknowledge that forcing hospitals to provide emergency care to the poor supports the right of the poor to live.

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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Providing emergency health care to the poor allows them to sustain their life.
    Irrelevant. A right to life does not entitle you to any goods or any services. It is the basis for laws against violating your right to life.

    You need drinking water to live. You do not have a right to water.

    You need food to live. You do not have a right to food.

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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I did not say that the whether or not right is exclusive to the poor. I am discussing the issue of the government forcing hospitals to provide emergency care for the poor.
    I am discussing whether that right should only apply after you have no assets to seize. Why should some be forced to pay for what others get for free as a "right"? Rights apply to all not just some.
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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    In this case there is the right to property, an actual right to be protected, versus the thing you want the government to do, which only violates the right to property.

    There is nothing to balance.
    Ever notice people always want to "balance" things with the wealth, rights, and future of others, never their own?

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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    They already are. SMH.

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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Their musings matter not one bit.
    Done with you. Good day.

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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Irrelevant. A right to life does not entitle you to any goods or any services. It is the basis for laws against violating your right to life.
    No it is relevant because the right to life does indeed entitle citizens to the goods and services of government that may use the goods and services of private actors to support the rights of citizens to live. Not only is the right to life the basis of laws against violating citizens right to live, but it is among the natural rights that form the basis of government itself. If these natural rights did not exist, there would be no justification for the formation of government. Indeed, the founders of the U.S. recognizing this, laid the foundation of their government on these natural rights.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    You need drinking water to live. You do not have a right to water.

    You need food to live. You do not have a right to food.
    Because of the right to live, all are entitled access to the resources that exist in nature, such as water, for their sustenance. Because you need water to live, a government can restrict your access to water only if it makes available practical means, that you have the ability to use, to get the water that you need to live. If it does not make such means available to you, it is indeed violating your right to life, and as such is not worthy of the name of government, but is merely a mechanism to facilitate the thief of the resources in nature. The same can be said of food.

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