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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanSpartan View Post
    Can I rob you to help the poor? If no you are greedy.
    You can try.
    If I blow the conch and they don't come back; then we've had it. We shan't keep the fire going. We'll be like animals. We'll never be rescued.

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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    It does no such thing. All it does is violate the right to property of anyone forced to labor without their consent or forced to pay for goods and services requested by someone else
    And as I have stated earlier, governments must constantly balance the sometimes competing interests of citizens in the exercise of their rights. In the case of providing emergency medical care to the poor, the right of the poor to live, trumps the right of the hospitals to deny such service.

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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    And as I have stated earlier, governments must constantly balance the sometimes competing interests of citizens in the exercise of their rights
    In this case there is the right to property, an actual right to be protected, versus the thing you want the government to do, which only violates the right to property.

    There is nothing to balance.

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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    In this case there is the right to property, an actual right to be protected, versus the thing you want the government to do, which only violates the right to property.

    There is nothing to balance.
    Again, as I have stated earlier, Rousseau and the founders of this country agreed that men are endowed with natural rights, one of which is the right to life. As such, there is indeed something to balance.

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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Again, as I have stated earlier, Rousseau and the founders of this country agreed that men are endowed with natural rights, one of which is the right to life.
    The right to life has absolutely nothing to do with your proposed "right to healthcare" which is not and never could be an actual right.

    Again, there is nothing to balance, nothing to compromise. It is a question between government respecting its responsibilities and limits, or not.

    You're on the side of the government not only failing to do its duty but actively violating the rights of its citizens.

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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    The right to life has absolutely nothing to do with your proposed "right to healthcare" which is not and never could be an actual right.
    I disagree with you in the strongest terms. Giving the poor emergency health care allows them to sustain their life, and as such has everything to do with the right to life.

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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I disagree with you in the strongest terms.
    That just means you don't understand the most basic concept about our human rights.

    Giving the poor emergency health care allows them to sustain their life
    So what? It's a service.

    A right to life is the basis for laws against violating one's right to life; we largely do this through making it illegal to kill other humans in aggression, with crimes ranging from manslaughter to murder.

    A right to life does not entitle you to the service of others. A right to life does not entitle you to the goods of others.

    Healthcare services involve an exchange - their labor for your money.

    If you refuse to pay, and they refuse to work for free, then there's no obligation and no responsibility on the part of anyone else to provide you with a service you won't pay for anymore than you are entitled to walk up to a fast food counter and demand a cheeseburger without paying for it.

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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I disagree in the strongest terms. If police protection is ambiguous, then citizens must rely on a wild west shoot em up for their protection. Again, such ideas put the burden of providing for the safety of individual citizens into the hands of those citizens themselves, some who may behave responsibly, and some who may not.
    You are exaggerating, and exaggerating is a lame argument.
    Protecting your self from harm is not the wild west.
    People today do it all the time. They are not living in the wild west.
    Personal safety has always been in your own hands. That isn't going to change.


    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    the flawed thinking that you advocate.
    The only flawed thinking on display here is yours.
    You are arguing against what the court decided.
    Citing a flawed jury decision does not help you at all.


    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Governments are established amongst men to interfere in their affairs.
    No. That is not why they are established.
    They are established to govern.


    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    If a government did not interfere in the affairs of men, it would be useless. Moreover, philosophers such as Rousseau, and indeed even the founders of this country have acknowledged that men are endowed with natural rights, one of which is the right to life. And because such a right does indeed exist, the right of a person to live trumps the right of a hospital to not provide emergency treatment to the poor.
    Their musings matter not one bit.
    And the "right" is not what you think it is.


    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Regardless of the intent of any such legislation, or even the existence of such legislation, IF a government forces a hospital to provide emergency treatment to the poor, it is justified in doing so because of the patient's right to life.
    There is that flaw reasoning again.
    You have a right to your life without undue outside interference. That is all.
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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Because you're both human beings born in the USA?
    That's not a reason to care.
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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    That just means you don't understand the most basic concept about our human rights.
    No it means that we have a disagreement on the role of government in supporting the rights of citizens to live.

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    So what? It's a service.

    A right to life is the basis for laws against violating one's right to life; we largely do this through making it illegal to kill other humans in aggression, with crimes ranging from manslaughter to murder.

    A right to life does not entitle you to the service of others. A right to life does not entitle you to the goods of others.

    Healthcare services involve an exchange - their labor for your money.
    The so what is that you so callously value a service more than a life.

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