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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    This is kind of a stupid debate. I don't care what arguments one can put forth against the notion that everyone has a right to life saving emergency care, because unless you have a psychopath in charge of hospital admitting, if someone shows up needing life saving care, they are going to get it regardless of their ability to pay.

    For crying out loud what kind of a fantasy world does someone live in if they think someone will get turned down for life saving care if they can't pay for it? If I am sitting there in charge of admitting and a someone is brought in just having been hit by a car, I am going to ensure they get lifesaving care even if they don't have a cent to their name because ultimately i have to be able to sleep at night.

    So lets just accept the reality that hospitals are not going to staff a bunch of psychopaths in their emergency rooms. Thus the poor are going to get emergency care and we just need to accept that reality.
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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    This is kind of a stupid debate. I don't care what arguments one can put forth against the notion that everyone has a right to life saving emergency care, because unless you have a psychopath in charge of hospital admitting, if someone shows up needing life saving care, they are going to get it regardless of their ability to pay.

    For crying out loud what kind of a fantasy world does someone live in if they think someone will get turned down for life saving care if they can't pay for it? If I am sitting there in charge of admitting and a someone is brought in just having been hit by a car, I am going to ensure they get lifesaving care even if they don't have a cent to their name because ultimately i have to be able to sleep at night.

    So lets just accept the reality that hospitals are not going to staff a bunch of psychopaths in their emergency rooms. Thus the poor are going to get emergency care and we just need to accept that reality.
    Most of the time that is true but I have heard stories of people dying in ambulances in large cities because the hospitals refused to accept the patient and the EMT's were stuck driving around with a dying person trying to find a hospital who would take them, or people having to be transported past for-profit hospitals to get to the hospitals that take indigent patients.
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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Hmmm. That's interesting. I had not heard of that idea before. What happens if they are homeless or unemployed?
    In those cases a safety net type coverage would apply. The alternative, as is presently the case (or recently the case,) is no coverage, they still get treated but pass the cost on to the rest of us in the form unreasonable hospital expenses like $10 a pill Tylenol, etc. as hospitals recoup costs. This is also usually at the hospital emergency room, the most expensive place to get treated and often long after a condition has so far progressed it requires very expensive treatment options because the patient put it off so long because they couldn't afford to see a do tired routinely back when it's was inexpensive to treat.
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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    By any chance did you notice that the 3 examples of alleged dumping were against the law. Again, we've provided a solution to a problem that didn't exist. And by the way, my doctor opted to form a concierge medical practice rather than get involved in the ACA. And they now longer take Medicare.
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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I agree. Although it has been put forward that the government is not duty bound to protect the lives of its citizens, I would disagree with that because if that is so, then citizens must rely primarily on their own means of protection, even from physical harm from other citizens. And if that is the case, then government is merely facilitating the usurping of the resources of nature by those with wealth. That is not government, that is robbery. Such a government is merely aiding thieves and is not worthy of the name "government."
    I find that very often when someone suggest that "Everyone should help out with that." they actually mean that those who work harder and smarter than I should help out more than me or help out instead of me. And then they claim that those "other's" are greedy when they suggest that everyone has an obligation to at least try to do for themselves.
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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Most of the time that is true but I have heard stories of people dying in ambulances in large cities because the hospitals refused to accept the patient and the EMT's were stuck driving around with a dying person trying to find a hospital who would take them, or people having to be transported past for-profit hospitals to get to the hospitals that take indigent patients.
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    Re: Should hospitals be forced to give emergency care to the poor?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    The government can require anything because they have a monopoly on the use of force. But the role of the government of a free society is to protect the rights of each citizen. And the fact is, doctors are citizens too and are equal in their rights. That means the decision on how when and where and upon whom they wish to perform that service is up to them, THAT is the doctors right. Lets say I invent a cure for cancer. Can the government force me to share it with the world? If so, what happened to my rights?
    Although the role of the government in a "free" society is to protect the rights of each citizen, in practical terms that means that the government is forced to balance the competing interests of citizens in their attempt to exercise their rights. For example although I have the right to live, I cannot go and cultivate the land of another citizen in order to grow crops to sustain my existence. Furthermore although I have the right to free speech, I cannot use that free speech to incite someone else to use violence to take the right of another citizen. In a similar way, although a doctor has rights, the government can force that doctor to save the life of another citizen in order to protect that citizen's right to life. That doctor should certainly be compensated for his services. As such, forcing hospitals to give medical care to those who are poor is not necessarily a violation of the principles of a free society.

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