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Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

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Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?
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i'd be pretty surprised to find out that the NSA doesn't already have the entire site and most other sites archived and stored. no CT necessary there.
 
Sherman123 said:
This is a forum viewable by anyone in the world with an uncensored internet connection and if someone in the FBI or wherever happens to find something actionable on here I don't really see the problem. .
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If they are monitoring this particular site and those like it, it is a waste of money. That is a problem.
 
jamesrage said:
The government has no business monitoring websites.Monitoring website is a search. In order to conduct a search the government needs a warrant based upon probable cause.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized
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Why do you say it is a search?
 
Montecresto said:
Isn't monitoring essentially a perpetual search?
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If they are monitoring a specific person, it does seem to be somewhat of a privacy issue and perhaps that could be broadly construed as a search. But it is public. Any rate, I need to give it some thought. Tell my why you feel its a search.
 
Summerwind said:
You seem to not comprehend my position, so I'll just leave it at that. I can't think of a more clear way of stating my position, but isn't what you're presenting it as in your rehash. So either you're intentionally misrepresenting or you're having comprehension issues.
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I have no axe to grind with you. Why would I intentionally misrepresent you. You don't have a problem with the government monitoring you in places like this forum, that's your American prerogative. I have a much higher threshold for privacy and civil liberties and am not interested in the government using algorithms to analyze what Americans are communicating to one another, and then decide to build dossiers and profiles on people. I showed you some examples, and apparently you're dismissive of them. So that's fine, that's your American prerogative.
 
Montecresto said:
I have no axe to grind with you. Why would I intentionally misrepresent you. You don't have a problem with the government monitoring you in places like this forum, that's your American prerogative. I have a much higher threshold for privacy and civil liberties and am not interested in the government using algorithms to analyze what Americans are communicating to one another, and then decide to build dossiers and profiles on people. I showed you some examples, and apparently you're dismissive of them. So that's fine, that's your American prerogative.
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So long as those dossiers are have no more personal detail than I could acquire if I decided to monitor all the postings on DP, then I don't have a problem. It's a public site. So long as they only access what normal members access, their algorithms and such are no more detrimental than those being used by google and other ad agencies everytime you enter a page at DP. If it's okay for ad agencies and google to be tracking what I do and type on a public forum, then it's okay for the government. Actually google et al probably have waaayyyy more personal information due to general browsing and computer identification than anyone could get of DP even with a warrant.
 
Montecresto said:
Isn't monitoring essentially a perpetual search?
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it's a general warrant,prohibited under the Constitution if the data is stored by the US gov't. This isn't mere "metadata"
General Warrant Law & Legal Definition
A general warrant refers to a warrant providing a law-enforcement officer with broad discretion or authority to search and seize unspecified places or persons. A general warrant lacks a sufficiently particularized description of the person or thing to be seized or the place to be searched. General warrants are unconstitutional because they do not meet the Fourth Amendment's specificity requirements
 
Summerwind said:
So long as those dossiers are have no more personal detail than I could acquire if I decided to monitor all the postings on DP, then I don't have a problem. It's a public site. So long as they only access what normal members access, their algorithms and such are no more detrimental than those being used by google and other ad agencies everytime you enter a page at DP. If it's okay for ad agencies and google to be tracking what I do and type on a public forum, then it's okay for the government. Actually google et al probably have waaayyyy more personal information due to general browsing and computer identification than anyone could get of DP even with a warrant.
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And who's taking care of (monitoring) your "so long as"? I posted information on google earlier in the thread, they are a huge problem too! And we need congress to do something with them as well, other than just fining them for obstruction of justice.
 
The poll results are outrageous. No way there's that many morons on this site.
 
Montecresto said:
And who's taking care of (monitoring) your "so long as"? I posted information on google earlier in the thread, they are a huge problem too! And we need congress to do something with them as well, other than just fining them for obstruction of justice.
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Hence why I mentioned a tipping point. Again, I recommend a course in reading comprehension.
 
Summerwind said:
Hence why I mentioned a tipping point. Again, I recommend a course in reading comprehension.
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Save the snark. Who's monitoring the tipping point, hmm?
 
Montecresto said:
Save the snark. Who's monitoring the tipping point, hmm?
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I'm not in the business of protecting you from snark. Grow a pair, and take a reading comprehension course.
 
Summerwind said:
So long as those dossiers are have no more personal detail than I could acquire if I decided to monitor all the postings on DP, then I don't have a problem. It's a public site. So long as they only access what normal members access, their algorithms and such are no more detrimental than those being used by google and other ad agencies everytime you enter a page at DP. If it's okay for ad agencies and google to be tracking what I do and type on a public forum, then it's okay for the government. Actually google et al probably have waaayyyy more personal information due to general browsing and computer identification than anyone could get of DP even with a warrant.
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Well said.

Anyone who has a problem with it should not be posting on public forums.
 
paddymcdougall said:
Well said.

Anyone who has a problem with it should not be posting on public forums.
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Just a little quibble here. Since they (the hysterians) are all so certain it is being monitored, I think their poutrage is insincere because otherwise they'd not be posting at all, much less some of what they do post.
 
Summerwind said:
Just a little quibble here. Since they (the hysterians) are all so certain it is being monitored, I think their poutrage is insincere because otherwise they'd not be posting at all, much less some of what they do post.
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excellent point! maybe they WANT the NSA to come after them; gives them some excitement in their humdrum lives!
 
Summerwind said:
I'm not in the business of protecting you from snark. Grow a pair, and take a reading comprehension course.
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Take a sensitivity training course and stop acting like a bitch. You don't value your civil liberty, you have good company from the rest of the scared Americans.
 
Summerwind said:
Just a little quibble here. Since they (the hysterians) are all so certain it is being monitored, I think their poutrage is insincere because otherwise they'd not be posting at all, much less some of what they do post.
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And who said they think it's being monitored, hmm? Need a little comprehension course. The op asks whether or not we think it should be monitored by the government. For those that value their constitutional liberties, of course not. For the shivering scared rest, well, apparently.
 
They monitor everything. And that's scary.
 
paddymcdougall said:
Well said.

Anyone who has a problem with it should not be posting on public forums.
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No, it's stupidly said. Anyone that welcomes government monitoring of American citizens doesn't value their liberty, or is willing to trade it for perceived security, lol.
 
Montecresto said:
Take a sensitivity training course and stop acting like a bitch. You don't value your civil liberty, you have good company from the rest of the scared Americans.
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Never will I stop being a bitch, I like being Beautiful, Intelligent, Talented, Clever, and Honest. And I'd rather be a bitch than a chicken little.
 
So the poll stands at

Yes: 2
No: 25
Maybe: 5
DK: 1

Not sure why some idiot is spamming the 'yes' vote.
 
Andalublue said:
So the poll stands at

Yes: 2
No: 25
Maybe: 5
DK: 1

Not sure why some idiot is spamming the 'yes' vote.
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How is 2 votes spamming? I see 147 votes for yes, but only two members listed, is that what you mean?
 
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