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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And in case it's been awhile since you've thought about it, or never known about Frank Church and the Church Committee, and it's conclusions in 1975, here it is again. See how you think this matches up with what the chief executive chairmen of google said above.

    "In the need to develop a capacity to know what potential enemies are doing, the United States government has perfected a technological capability that enables us to monitor the messages that go through the air. Now, that is necessary and important to the United States as we look abroad at enemies or potential enemies. We must know, at the same time, that capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left such is the capability to monitor everything—telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesn't matter. There would be no place to hide."
    "If this government ever became a tyrant, if a dictator ever took charge in this country, the technological capacity that the intelligence community has given the government could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back because the most careful effort to combine together in resistance to the government, no matter how privately it was done, is within the reach of the government to know. Such is the capability of this technology."

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    And lets remember that governments have killed their own citizens and prevented or ended uprisings due to information they gathered from spying.

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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    if anyone on these boards has an expectation of privacy, you are nuts for thinking that

    and message boards, and socials networks have been watched for well over a decade now

    is most of it a waste a time? you bet

    is most just done with computers? you bet

    this is an OPEN forum.....dont expect what you type to be free from perusal
    The argument that merely because the government can access information means they should be allowed to is nonsense. The government can break into your home and steal whatever it wants. It can kill you whenever it wants. It can enslave you if it wants. Obviously, it is not allowed to do these things. We shouldn't need to use overt secrecy to have protection against spying from our own government.
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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Is this a joke?

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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    And lets remember that governments have killed their own citizens and prevented or ended uprisings due to information they gathered from spying.
    Are you to say you're a proponent of dragnet spying?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Are you to say you're a proponent of dragnet spying?
    No, I'm saying that for centuries governments have spied on their citizens and have even went so far as to kill them due to information they found out. The people that support governments spying on their citizens seriously need to learn their history.

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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, I'm saying that for centuries governments have spied on their citizens and have even went so far as to kill them due to information they found out. The people that support governments spying on their citizens seriously need to learn their history.
    Oh thank god. Ok yes indeed, we agree.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Can someone explain to me why I have to expect privacy for the government not to spy on me? Exactly why do I need to be in lets say a damn changing room or something for the government not to have a monitoring system up my ass?
    Don't post on a public forum. Your neighbor, your boss, your children's teacher - they all can see what you post here. So can the govt.

    At least this forum allows aliases, so it would take a warrant to find out your real identity.

    It's the govt's job to protect us from threats - as long as they work in a legal manner. Scrolling a public website has got to be legal, because anyone can do it.

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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    The argument that merely because the government can access information means they should be allowed to is nonsense. The government can break into your home and steal whatever it wants. It can kill you whenever it wants. It can enslave you if it wants. Obviously, it is not allowed to do these things. We shouldn't need to use overt secrecy to have protection against spying from our own government.
    It can't break into your home. It CAN drive by your house and take a look at the front of it to see if you have an enemy flag flying.

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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Exaggerates this place's importance, don't you think?
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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Don't post on a public forum. Your neighbor, your boss, your children's teacher - they all can see what you post here. So can the govt.

    At least this forum allows aliases, so it would take a warrant to find out your real identity.

    It's the govt's job to protect us from threats - as long as they work in a legal manner. Scrolling a public website has got to be legal, because anyone can do it.
    Just because we can do something doesn't mean the government should be able to do it. Saying that, how many of us are storing everything said online on hard drives? How many of us are using software to scan for word usage and then sending out our goons when someone says something we deemed as wrong? I doubt many of us and I doubt it would be legal if we did decide to do it.

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