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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Are you sure about that? Although what you are saying makes sense to me, do you have a supporting reference?
    Meh, I'll google the SC to find the exact text. I did various studies and contracts with the gvt. I learned a lot of the years.

    This came up a million times. I've asked them many times a well (both in when I was in school, and working). They cannot legally monitor, as in task a position, to speech, without a warrant.

    However, they could easily get one, and that warrant could not have an expiration date for a very long time.

    Always ways around the system.

    But to answer your question, let me do some googling

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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    No doubt they already do.
    But what I would say to that is if they had a list of Forums they monitor, ours would be under the category "Least Concern".

    There's ALOT of forums out there, some very explicit in nature that push the boundaries of the 1st Amendment.

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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    But I can say that I've never seen where one poster has threatened another
    Hate to disagree, but it happens regularly in the gun forum, especially to whole groups of people in real life--even policemen.
    or where a poster has threatened violence to our government!
    Once again, there has been a huge uptick in this in the last several months with the influx of a new batch of extremely far rightists.
    Such as with the way they defended the Bundy sniper who had his sights on a ATF agent .
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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Its not only you and me, its a threat to the general masses.
    And actually, it is somewhat of a threat to the establishment because they need some protection from each other.
    Home-grown terrorists like McVeigh are much more of a concern to me than government surveillance, along with his supporters.
    Surveillance was developed in response to these Okla Cty type catastrophies.

    Since I'm not doing anything wrong in RL or online, I'm willing to bend on the 1st, 2nd and 4th amendments for the common good.
    IMHO, people mistakenly try to act like 2015 should be treated like 1789 when the Constitution was written .
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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Hate to disagree, but it happens regularly in the gun forum, especially to whole groups of people in real life--even policemen.

    Once again, there has been a huge uptick in this in the last several months with the influx of a new batch of extremely far rightists.
    Such as with the way they defended the Bundy sniper who had his sights on a ATF agent .
    I don't go there, and preferenced my statement such. I'm sorry to hear that people have threatened each other here.
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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Hate to disagree, but it happens regularly in the gun forum, especially to whole groups of people in real life--even policemen.

    Once again, there has been a huge uptick in this in the last several months with the influx of a new batch of extremely far rightists.
    Such as with the way they defended the Bundy sniper who had his sights on a ATF agent .
    Were they really advocating that, or opposing government overreach?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Do you think their hackers or any other government's hackers are good enough to hack this website or other forums ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    So long as the list contains nothing more that what the general public or members could choose to accumulate, I don't see the problem. If they are gaining access to our non-public, non-member information without a warrant, then I see that as the tipping point.
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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I agree. I think watching a relatively benign site like this is overkill and a waste of resources.
    They might want to keep an eye on AmericanSpartan though. He's been getting all a bit genocidey of late.
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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Yes of course, they are most certainly already doing this on a daily basis.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    But what I would say to that is if they had a list of Forums they monitor, ours would be under the category "Least Concern".
    The NSA crawls everything on the web. Not even a question of 'if' for DP, but a question of 'how often'.

    Obviously no one's reading DP as a desk job, but they've certainly have keyword searches on us. Anyone of us hits enough of those magic words in our posts, that'll flag the webpage for review.
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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The point being that governments have long sought to produce dossiers and profiles on its citizenry. And for obvious reasons, that prospect has never been as possible or thorough as it is today.

    “We know where you are. We know where you’ve been. We can more or less know what you’re thinking about.”

    “Your digital identity will live forever… because there’s no delete button.”

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    The "point" as you put it is irrelevant to my comments. If all they do is gather the same information I can about posters and their posts, then I have no problem. If they can access what the owners and site operators can access without a warrant, that's would be my tipping point.
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