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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    This is a public forum and therefore not subject to the fourth amendment. Sure but I've never seen anything posited here that I've even been alarmed over. That said, I've been on anther forum based overseas where people were sympathetic to Al Qaeda and in attempts to understand them I would ask them questions and sometimes argue, I'm sure I have an FBI/NSA file.
    I haven't seen anything here either, and as such, I think it is a waste of time if they are actually monitoring a forum like this.

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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    So long as the list contains nothing more that what the general public or members could choose to accumulate, I don't see the problem. If they are gaining access to our non-public, non-member information without a warrant, then I see that as the tipping point.
    The point being that governments have long sought to produce dossiers and profiles on its citizenry. And for obvious reasons, that prospect has never been as possible or thorough as it is today.

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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    I read somewhere a few years back that they actually insert posters as well to jostle things. I don't why they shouldn't read or even participate, even if that participation has a dishonest front face. All of us could, who knows for sure if some of us aren't just playing parts on here? We don't, we can't know.
    It is certainly true that someone could be merely putting on a dishonest front face. It would be a waste of resources, in my opinion if a government agent was posing on here for the sake of monitoring or trying to influence debate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    I was at a one forum where a woman managed to convince everyone she was a lawyer, giving out advise, being asked advise. Turned out someone met her and found out she was really a high school dropout with schizophrenia. She was convincing most of the time. There near the end, she began to loose it, and that's why someone tracked her down, but gosh, 9 years she pulled it off. It'd be nothing for someone to do a Stephen Colbert in a forum. And for an agent trained to do so, we'd never even suspect.
    Well, I guess it goes to show you that any good liar can be a lawyer! JK

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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Yes of course, they are most certainly already doing this on a daily basis. Especially in the conservative posters here are held under high scrutiny of course by Obama and his liberal cronies

    No but seriously. I think that all message boards foreign and domestic have to at least be macro monitored to identify whether or not a lot of traffic comes with known countries that have many supporters of Isis and muslim terrorism. If websites are visited numerously out of areas under control of Isis or Boko Haram, then the US government would be insane not to monitor that even more closely and they can only find that if they have a macro surveillance of all websites to begin with.
    Hmmm

    I don't know. I need to think about merely based on the amount of traffic coming from a geographical area.

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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    So long as the list contains nothing more that what the general public or members could choose to accumulate, I don't see the problem. If they are gaining access to our non-public, non-member information without a warrant, then I see that as the tipping point.
    And in case it's been awhile since you've thought about it, or never known about Frank Church and the Church Committee, and it's conclusions in 1975, here it is again. See how you think this matches up with what the chief executive chairmen of google said above.

    "In the need to develop a capacity to know what potential enemies are doing, the United States government has perfected a technological capability that enables us to monitor the messages that go through the air. Now, that is necessary and important to the United States as we look abroad at enemies or potential enemies. We must know, at the same time, that capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left such is the capability to monitor everything—telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesn't matter. There would be no place to hide."
    "If this government ever became a tyrant, if a dictator ever took charge in this country, the technological capacity that the intelligence community has given the government could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back because the most careful effort to combine together in resistance to the government, no matter how privately it was done, is within the reach of the government to know. Such is the capability of this technology."

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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    i wouldn't be surprised if they trolled all sorts of forums looking for wackos.
    I agree.
    That does not mean they read every message.
    I would think they are looking for key words.
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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Hmmm

    I don't know. I need to think about merely based on the amount of traffic coming from a geographical area.
    Let's have another example, in Ar Raqqah, middle of Isis territory there is a group of hackers who is using Debate politics or some other website to create websites for Boko Haram and they are using the private messaging system to organize that and to work with a sleeper cell of hackers/web-specialists in the US to attack websites from the government and through the traffic coming from that geographical area Homeland Security finds out that this is happening.

    I would think that is a good use of watching over the internet to prevent attacks/work against muslim terrorism. And it does not hurt anyone IMHO, basic snooping on the internet without going into specific data from internet users is the best way to protect the privacy of internet users and still give some security against people who want to do bad things.
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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Let's have another example, in Ar Raqqah, middle of Isis territory there is a group of hackers who is using Debate politics or some other website to create websites for Boko Haram and they are using the private messaging system to organize that and to work with a sleeper cell of hackers/web-specialists in the US to attack websites from the government and through the traffic coming from that geographical area Homeland Security finds out that this is happening.

    I would think that is a good use of watching over the internet to prevent attacks/work against muslim terrorism. And it does not hurt anyone IMHO, basic snooping on the internet without going into specific data from internet users is the best way to protect the privacy of internet users and still give some security against people who want to do bad things.
    With the little I know about the client/server paradigm of computer programming, I would be surprised if you could use the website itself to CREATE another website. The website is no more than some files stored on a computer server somewhere. Now if DP has its own computer server and what you meant by that was using that server, then I understand what you have said. That's interesting tho. I would like to know what you meant exactly by that. Perhaps there is something that I don't know about.

    That aside, I suppose what I had in mind was someone actually taking the time to look at what was being said on a site like DP, to see if there might be some sort of threat. That's a waste. I know you were responding to the traffic monitoring thing, but I'm just saying.

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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    It's a website anyone can sign up for. Now to find out our personal contact info - that should take a warrant. Reading a public website? doubt it needs one.
    If someone in the gvt is tasked (assigned a job) to monitor speech, they are required to have a warrant. A forum is a type of speech, even though it's on the internet.

    Just FYI.

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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    If someone in the gvt is tasked (assigned a job) to monitor speech, they are required to have a warrant. A forum is a type of speech, even though it's on the internet.

    Just FYI.
    Are you sure about that? Although what you are saying makes sense to me, do you have a supporting reference?

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