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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?
    i'd be pretty surprised to find out that the NSA doesn't already have the entire site and most other sites archived and stored. no CT necessary there.

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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    This is a forum viewable by anyone in the world with an uncensored internet connection and if someone in the FBI or wherever happens to find something actionable on here I don't really see the problem. .
    If they are monitoring this particular site and those like it, it is a waste of money. That is a problem.

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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The government has no business monitoring websites.Monitoring website is a search. In order to conduct a search the government needs a warrant based upon probable cause.

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized
    Why do you say it is a search?

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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Why do you say it is a search?
    Isn't monitoring essentially a perpetual search?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Isn't monitoring essentially a perpetual search?
    If they are monitoring a specific person, it does seem to be somewhat of a privacy issue and perhaps that could be broadly construed as a search. But it is public. Any rate, I need to give it some thought. Tell my why you feel its a search.

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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    You seem to not comprehend my position, so I'll just leave it at that. I can't think of a more clear way of stating my position, but isn't what you're presenting it as in your rehash. So either you're intentionally misrepresenting or you're having comprehension issues.
    I have no axe to grind with you. Why would I intentionally misrepresent you. You don't have a problem with the government monitoring you in places like this forum, that's your American prerogative. I have a much higher threshold for privacy and civil liberties and am not interested in the government using algorithms to analyze what Americans are communicating to one another, and then decide to build dossiers and profiles on people. I showed you some examples, and apparently you're dismissive of them. So that's fine, that's your American prerogative.
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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I have no axe to grind with you. Why would I intentionally misrepresent you. You don't have a problem with the government monitoring you in places like this forum, that's your American prerogative. I have a much higher threshold for privacy and civil liberties and am not interested in the government using algorithms to analyze what Americans are communicating to one another, and then decide to build dossiers and profiles on people. I showed you some examples, and apparently you're dismissive of them. So that's fine, that's your American prerogative.
    So long as those dossiers are have no more personal detail than I could acquire if I decided to monitor all the postings on DP, then I don't have a problem. It's a public site. So long as they only access what normal members access, their algorithms and such are no more detrimental than those being used by google and other ad agencies everytime you enter a page at DP. If it's okay for ad agencies and google to be tracking what I do and type on a public forum, then it's okay for the government. Actually google et al probably have waaayyyy more personal information due to general browsing and computer identification than anyone could get of DP even with a warrant.
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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Isn't monitoring essentially a perpetual search?
    it's a general warrant,prohibited under the Constitution if the data is stored by the US gov't. This isn't mere "metadata"
    General Warrant Law & Legal Definition
    A general warrant refers to a warrant providing a law-enforcement officer with broad discretion or authority to search and seize unspecified places or persons. A general warrant lacks a sufficiently particularized description of the person or thing to be seized or the place to be searched. General warrants are unconstitutional because they do not meet the Fourth Amendment's specificity requirements

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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    i wouldn't be surprised if they trolled all sorts of forums looking for wackos.
    Of course they do. The key word the crap out this place.
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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    So long as those dossiers are have no more personal detail than I could acquire if I decided to monitor all the postings on DP, then I don't have a problem. It's a public site. So long as they only access what normal members access, their algorithms and such are no more detrimental than those being used by google and other ad agencies everytime you enter a page at DP. If it's okay for ad agencies and google to be tracking what I do and type on a public forum, then it's okay for the government. Actually google et al probably have waaayyyy more personal information due to general browsing and computer identification than anyone could get of DP even with a warrant.
    And who's taking care of (monitoring) your "so long as"? I posted information on google earlier in the thread, they are a huge problem too! And we need congress to do something with them as well, other than just fining them for obstruction of justice.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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