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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Just because we can do something doesn't mean the government should be able to do it. Saying that, how many of us are storing everything said online on hard drives? How many of us are using software to scan for word usage and then sending out our goons when someone says something we deemed as wrong? I doubt many of us and I doubt it would be legal if we did decide to do it.

    {shrug} bring it up with your lawyer.

    I think the govt has the right - and the obligation - to monitor public sites for threats to our country. Anyone with any expectation that their posts are somehow "private" when the entire world can read them is sadly mistaken.

    Again, to retrieve info to find us in "real life" should require a warrant, absolutely. But to read these posts? nope.

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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Just because we can do something doesn't mean the government should be able to do it. Saying that, how many of us are storing everything said online on hard drives? How many of us are using software to scan for word usage and then sending out our goons when someone says something we deemed as wrong? I doubt many of us and I doubt it would be legal if we did decide to do it.

    Oh, and if you wanted to use some kind of word sniffer to go through this site - or you did a lot of searches looking for certain words -I'm sure that's legal, although not sure if it's against the site's terms of service we agreed to when we signed up. But if you never signed up....

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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    What do you think?
    The government has no business monitoring websites.Monitoring website is a search. In order to conduct a search the government needs a warrant based upon probable cause.

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    {shrug} bring it up with your lawyer.

    I think the govt has the right - and the obligation - to monitor public sites for threats to our country. Anyone with any expectation that their posts are somehow "private" when the entire world can read them is sadly mistaken.

    Again, to retrieve info to find us in "real life" should require a warrant, absolutely. But to read these posts? nope.
    They are not just reading the page like you or me, but looking for patterns and storing everything we type to be used against us if ever do anything they find criminal.

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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Oh, and if you wanted to use some kind of word sniffer to go through this site - or you did a lot of searches looking for certain words -I'm sure that's legal, although not sure if it's against the site's terms of service we agreed to when we signed up. But if you never signed up....
    I highly doubt the government would like any us storing everything ever said online and then using that information against a fellow citizen.

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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Not without a warrant they shouldn't.
    Would they need a warrant just to create an account and search for things?
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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Quote Originally Posted by 11Bravo View Post
    Meh, I'll google the SC to find the exact text. I did various studies and contracts with the gvt. I learned a lot of the years.

    This came up a million times. I've asked them many times a well (both in when I was in school, and working). They cannot legally monitor, as in task a position, to speech, without a warrant.

    However, they could easily get one, and that warrant could not have an expiration date for a very long time.

    Always ways around the system.

    But to answer your question, let me do some googling
    I would be interested to know the answer to that.

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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Home-grown terrorists like McVeigh are much more of a concern to me than government surveillance, along with his supporters.
    Surveillance was developed in response to these Okla Cty type catastrophies.

    Since I'm not doing anything wrong in RL or online, I'm willing to bend on the 1st, 2nd and 4th amendments for the common good.
    IMHO, people mistakenly try to act like 2015 should be treated like 1789 when the Constitution was written .
    Well I don't know about that bending stuff. You give people an inch, they will take a mile.

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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I would suggest that they not only monitor, but have a coterie of agents who's job is to participate in the forums and project the "Perception Management" agendas of the gov't. NSA is in the crack of everyone's ass due to the Patriot Act and illegal surveillance and since Edward Snowden we know that to be true. Snowden reveals the criminality and he is pursued as the culprit. Same for Julian Assange. You, me, Grandma and the dog are the ones getting screwed, don't ya' know?
    It would not be a surprise. It sure is a big waste of money if that's the case tho.

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    Re: Should the U. S. Government Monitor DP For Potential Threats?

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    I blame TOT, who was the original one to threaten to contact the FBI about some of the 'terrorists' on here.
    What is that about? Are you serious?

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