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Should High School Cheerleaders Do Cartwheels in Skirts?

Should High School Cheerleaders Do Cartwheels In Skirts?

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SmokeAndMirrors said:
Oh, so now you're pretending you don't understand English, when I said cheerleading is basically similar to gymnastics.

You are really bothered by the idea of admitting the problem is you, aren't you. You'll do just about anything to deny the fact that you brought up sexualizing girls completely out of the blue when they were doing something perfectly innocuous.

This is the classic mindset of chauvinism; blame your own behavior on women and try to make them compensate for your lack of self-control. Or in this case, girls.

You can stomp your feet and pretend you can't read or can't remember what you posted all day long, but evidently, you haven't fooled anyone here. Your thoughts, your problem, and as hard as you're trying to deny it outwardly, I doubt you fool yourself inwardly. Have fun with your self-delusion. I can't be bothered reading you anymore.
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Debate ?
NO
Personal attacks ?
yes , and , IMO, well done , BUT nothing to be proud of .
Of course, cheerleading is very similar to gymnastics .. and both are beautiful .. things to behold .
 
earthworm said:
Debate ?
NO
Personal attacks ?
yes , and , IMO, well done , BUT nothing to be proud of .
Of course, cheerleading is very similar to gymnastics .. and both are beautiful .. things to behold .
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If you mean that response was well done, it was a bunch of BS. This is what she said

Yes, you described young girls who are basically doing gymnastics in shorts as "seductive."
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http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/219213-should-high-school-cheerleaders-do-cartwheels-skirts-19.html#post1064422712

To support it, this is what she quotes me as saying

But it is totally acceptable for 14 and 15 year old girls to dance seductively in short skirts in public.
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It is total BS. There was no reference in that post to gymnastics. Due to delusion, that person has created a fiction in her mind. It is as simple as that. There was nothing "well done" about it. It wasn't even good deceit.
 
This goes to show you that they don't ever get it out of their system! :lamo

A 65-year-old woman is up in arms after being banned from doing cartwheels at public meetings.

Dianne 'DD' Barker, a former Ohio State cheerleader living in Phoenix, Arizona, told Fox 10 that her gymnastic moves - which she often uses to emphasize a point - are a form of self-expression.

So she was understandably upset when she recently received a letter from the Maricopa Association of Governments asking her to 'cease performing cartwheels at MAG meetings' because of 'the potential injuries they could cause and their disruptive nature.'
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Former Ohio cheerleader gets BANNED from doing cartwheels at public meetings | Daily Mail Online

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An interesting comment

While students are kneeling, their skirts or shorts must be six inches from the floor. Want an exception to this rule? Be a cheerleader. If the dress code is going to stay the way it is, then it needs to be enforced for all students with no exceptions.
The dress code is said to be in place to protect the students, but every week the cheerleaders get a break from this protection. However, the dress code is not just for protection. It also cuts down on students being distracted. When students come to class out of dress code, other students notice. Not just because they can see areas of a person that should not be shown, but also because that student has not been asked to change clothes. Most students feel that if they were not abiding by the dress code, they would get in trouble; they feel the school’s enforcement of the dress code or lack thereof is simple discrimination. They’re right.
No other sporting teams wear their uniforms to school, so cheerleaders shouldn’t either. There is an appropriate place for every dress, and theirs is not at school. The cheer uniform should be reserved for pep rallies and football games, nowhere else. If cheerleaders are allowed to defy the dress code, then every student should be allowed to on game days.
A small change would be for cheerleaders to wear their windbreaker outfits or leggings so their uniform fits within the dress code. That way students can still tell who belongs to the cheerleading squad. This small change would be a leap in the right direction.
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Any rate, the point is that there is a reason that schools have dress codes. The question is, why is it that girls can do cartwheels, in a skirt that they could not wear to school, in front of hundreds or thousands of people at a game?

The Rider Chronicle : Too short for school: Cheer skirts call for compromise
 
This is from a 2005 USA Today article that demonstrates the political dimension of this issue.

Too sexy? Schools drawing the line on cheerleaders

USA TODAY
Aug. 25, 2005 10:00 PM

MIAMI - They're still perky and often ponytailed, but teenage cheerleaders who rev up the fans at high school football games are drawing attention for shaking more than their pom-poms.

Some coaches, school administrators and even state lawmakers are concerned that skimpy skirts, revealing tops and MTV-inspired routines are becoming too hot for the crowds in the stands.

At some school districts in Georgia, policies limit suggestive gestures and outline appropriate attire for cheerleaders, band members, drill teams and pep squads. A national organization that oversees such activities has banned bare midriffs effective next fall. And a Texas legislator stirred up a national debate when he tried to pass a law prohibiting suggestive performances by cheerleaders, drill teams or dance teams. The proposal was referred to by some as the "cheerleader booty bill."

"I can't describe what 'sexy' is to you or somebody else," says the bill's sponsor, Rep. Al Edwards. "But if you're an adult, you know it when you see it."
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But just what is appropriate - from pelvis-thrusting movements that could be too provocative, to music whose lyrics could be questionable, to uniforms that could show too much skin - is a question that's bigger than the stadium.

Depending on your age or the part of the United States you're from, acceptability is in the eye of the beholder.

"Like it or not, there is a very high threshold for what is 'crossing the line' in terms of being overly suggestive," says Michael Wood, vice president of Teenage Research Unlimited, a market research firm. "These teens today are exposed to a lot in popular culture."
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Too sexy? Schools drawing the line on cheerleaders

The cheerleader "booty bill." :lamo
 
Mason66 said:
What harm came to her because he was looking?
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I was thinking about this question today. I would say that if they both really loved each other and he was willing to wait until she reached the proper age and married her, then nothing. Although the age difference was not so great, I remember this one guy that was in college met a friend of mine's daughter when she was 15 or 16. The father was totally pissed. But they both insisted that they were in love and he waited until she was 18 and married her. At the time I thought it was totally foolish and would never work, but it worked out very well. They are happily married to this day and have a few very fine kids.
 
radcen said:
I've read of people getting upset or concerned that some guy in Belgium may "get excited" over their daughter's Facebook photo. I always wonder, why?
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I'd frankly be far more concerned about some local person "getting excited" by said photo.
 
MildSteel said:
It has gotten to the point where it is against the law in some countries for a woman to cover herself. But it is totally acceptable for 14 and 15 year old girls to dance seductively in short skirts in public. Backwards.
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Hmmmmm.....So cheerfleading uniforms bother you, MildSteel?

Cheerleading is an athletic activity involving gymnastic moves, of which a cartwheel is one. They wear athletic outfits to fit the activities being done. They don't have to wear a skirt, since the underneath is part of the uniform. You might as well ask, is it okay for boys to wear those seductive tight swimsuits in swimming events, when men are required to be covered up in the Middle East? How about bullfighting outfits? Or tennis?

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The uniforms or outfits of athletes may have an appeal to the opposite gender, since those uniforms are usually form fitting and show skin, and the athletes have good bodies. The Olympics glorifies the athletic body. Did you know the Olympics at one time was done in the nude, to show the full glory of their perfect bodies? I think men have a thing about cheerleaders, so they forget it's an athletic activity with an outfit to match that activity.
 
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JumpinJack said:
Hmmmmm.....So cheerfleading uniforms bother you, MildSteel?
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Its no a matter of bothering me, its the type of values that are being introduced into the minds of young girls and of course the distraction.
JumpinJack said:
Cheerleading is an athletic activity involving gymnastic moves, of which a cartwheel is one. They wear athletic outfits to fit the activities being done. They don't have to wear a skirt, since the underneath is part of the uniform.
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There you go, they don't have to wear a skirt.

JumpinJack said:
You might as well ask, is it okay for boys to wear those seductive tight swimsuits in swimming events, when men are required to be covered up in the Middle East? How about bullfighting outfits? Or tennis?
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Well, I will let you address that. :)

JumpinJack said:
The uniforms or outfits of athletes may have an appeal to the opposite gender, since those uniforms are usually form fitting and show skin, and the athletes have good bodies. The Olympics glorifies the athletic body. Did you know the Olympics at one time was done in the nude, to show the full glory of their perfect bodies? I think men have a thing about cheerleaders, so they forget it's an athletic activity with an outfit to match that activity.
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Since you think that going around nude glorifies the body, do you think that high school cheerleaders should perform nude?
 
MildSteel said:
Its no a matter of bothering me, its the type of values that are being introduced into the minds of young girls and of course the distraction.


There you go, they don't have to wear a skirt.



Well, I will let you address that. :)



Since you think that going around nude glorifies the body, do you think that high school cheerleaders should perform nude?
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The point about the skirt is that it doesn't matter. What's underneath is the same as tennis players wear. It's part of the uniform. The skirt is a form of modesty, that you seem to want.

You are looking at this as a sort of hootchie kootchie thing, probably because you're an older man. The cheerleaders aren't there just to look good. They are actually performing some very difficult athletic stunts. It doesn't matter how cute a gal is, if she doesn't have the athleticism to do the work, she doesn't get the job. It's athletics. All athletes wear uniforms/outfits that fit with the event, like the ones I posted pics of. The cheerleaders are not doing anything that tennis players don't do. And they are being far more modest than male swimmers.

I think the problem is with the way you view young women, not with what the girls are doing or wearing. They're just doing the same cheerleading they've been doing for half a century. I think you really don't understand that they are not wearing skirts, and that's not underwear you're seeing. It's a uniform like tennis players wear and less revealing than swimmers wear.
 
JumpinJack said:
The point about the skirt is that it doesn't matter. What's underneath is the same as tennis players wear. It's part of the uniform. The skirt is a form of modesty, that you seem to want.
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If the skirt is so modest, then why are schools prohibiting them from wearing the skirts to class?

JumpinJack said:
You are looking at this as a sort of hootchie kootchie thing, probably because you're an older man.
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I don't understand your reasoning here. Could you please explain?

JumpinJack said:
The cheerleaders aren't there just to look good. They are actually performing some very difficult athletic stunts. It doesn't matter how cute a gal is, if she doesn't have the athleticism to do the work, she doesn't get the job.
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Well I agree it doesn't matter how cute the girl is. But what I would say is that regardless of how the girl looks, high school girls should not be in public with their skirts flying in the air, regardless of the nature of the intent on their part.

JumpinJack said:
It's athletics. All athletes wear uniforms/outfits that fit with the event, like the ones I posted pics of. The cheerleaders are not doing anything that tennis players don't do. And they are being far more modest than male swimmers.
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Regardless of whether tennis players do it, or what male or female swimmers do, females don't go around in public with their skirts flying in the air.

JumpinJack said:
I think the problem is with the way you view young women, not with what the girls are doing or wearing.
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The way I view them is not a problem, because I view them as valuable young females, I want to see them value their physical beauty and not put those parts of their body on display for all to see.
 
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