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    Re: Offended or no?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I do not think the flag should be used as a prop.
    You see it as a prop. I see it as a service member being so proud of it that he's willing to wrap his infant in it. All depends on your perspective, I guess.

    How do you feel about the flag being draped on the caskets of veterans?

    PS Methinks somebody has hacked the poll. 5,500 are offended? Hmmm.
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    Re: Offended or no?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Offended? No. Consider it seriously inappropriate? Yes. Worth making a big deal over? Not really.
    This is, like, the fourth time in the last month or so that you have said something that is entirely reasonable and correct. Please stop, you're giving me vertigo :p.

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    Re: Offended or no?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    This is, like, the fourth time in the last month or so that you have said something that is entirely reasonable and correct. Please stop, you're giving me vertigo :p.
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    Re: Offended or no?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    I think ALL flag laws are beyond stupid.

    They are symbols, not living things

    It's legal to beat your child (spanking) but illegal to do certain things with a piece of cloth that is a flag

    Ridiculous.
    Exactly. It's a piece of cloth that acts like symbol for the country. I view it as just a worthless piece of cloth with a butt ugly design on it, while other people view it as something to honor and respect. It's really just down to someones personal opinion and not something that should find it's way into law.

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    Re: Offended or no?

    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Photo of baby in American flag shrouded in controversy


    Is this photo considered offensive to you?

    Clearly, it violates US Flag Code, but does it bother you that it does?


    (if this has already been mentioned somewhere else on the board, you can merge the topics, but I couldn't find it)
    Why should it offend me? It looks comfy.

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    Re: Offended or no?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    It's not law in this country....


    "...The flag of the United States is sometimes symbolically burned, often in protest of the policies of the American government, both within the country and abroad. The United States Supreme Court in Texas v. Johnson, 491 U.S. 397 (1989), and reaffirmed in U.S. v. Eichman, 496 U.S. 310 (1990), has ruled that due to the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, it is unconstitutional for a government (whether federal, state, or municipality) to prohibit the desecration of a flag, due to its status as "symbolic speech." However, content-neutral restrictions may still be imposed to regulate the time, place, and manner of such expression...."

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    Yes is it law, public law 77-623(4 U.S.C. 1*et seq), It has never and will never be enforced which is why it gets to stay on the books
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    Re: Offended or no?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Yes is it law, public law 77-623, it has never and will never be enforced which is why it gets to stay on the books
    An unenforceable law is really not much of a law, is it?
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    Re: Offended or no?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Yes is it law, public law 77-623(4 U.S.C. 1*et seq), It has never and will never be enforced which is why it gets to stay on the books
    Since it would require another bill to remove an unconstitutional law from the books, lawmakers don't bother...... but penalties for not complying with the law were struck down as unconstitutional by the SCOTUS....which essentially neutered the bill as unenforceable....and since unenforceable laws are themselves unconstitutional, that makes it a double whammy against the flag code.

    "...Texas v. Johnson, 491 U.S. 397 (1989), was a decision by the Supreme Court of the United States that invalidated prohibitions on desecrating the American flag enforced in 48 of the 50 states...."
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    Re: Offended or no?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Since it would require another bill to remove an unconstitutional law from the books, lawmakers don't bother...... but penalties for not complying with the law were struck down as unconstitutional by the SCOTUS....which essentially neutered the bill as unenforceable....and since unenforceable laws are themselves unconstitutional, that makes it a double whammy against the flag code.

    "...Texas v. Johnson, 491 U.S. 397 (1989), was a decision by the Supreme Court of the United States that invalidated prohibitions on desecrating the American flag enforced in 48 of the 50 states...."
    Texas v. Johnson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Usually, laws are removed from the books by having them challenged in a court of law, but in order to do so, someone actually has to be charged under the law. Since no one is ever charged, the laws are never removed. That's why we still have laws about people having to run ahead of automobiles with a lantern and silly things like that. A law that is never used is effectively no different from a law that doesn't exist.
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    Re: Offended or no?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Since it would require another bill to remove an unconstitutional law from the books, lawmakers don't bother...... but penalties for not complying with the law were struck down as unconstitutional by the SCOTUS....which essentially neutered the bill as unenforceable....and since unenforceable laws are themselves unconstitutional, that makes it a double whammy against the flag code.

    "...Texas v. Johnson, 491 U.S. 397 (1989), was a decision by the Supreme Court of the United States that invalidated prohibitions on desecrating the American flag enforced in 48 of the 50 states...."
    Texas v. Johnson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    The Flag Code itself has never had any penalties associated with it in The U.S. Code. So, at the Federal level, there has never been any question of enforcement. What you're referring to in Texas v Johnson are State anti-desecration laws, not the Federal flag code.

    So, no, the Flag Code has never been ruled unconstitutional nor unenforceable (which would be pointless since there are no penalties to enforce)
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