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    Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?[W:296, 650]

    I heard someone make the argument that Obama doesn't believe the US has any rightful role in preventing or hindering Iran from developing and maintaining nuclear weapons. I don't know that that's true, and nobody but the President can answer to what he believes, so I'll ask what you believe. If Iran has the ability, does it have the "right" to nuclear weapons? (By "right", I mean the U.S. and other nations would not be unjustified in trying to prevent it.)

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    I think the answer really depends on your point of view.

    Should they have them?

    Absolutely ****ing not.

    I think that we as a collection of nations (The West) in our best interests should not allow Iran to obtain a nuclear weapon.

    But lets not kid ourselves.

    Their desire for a Nuclear Weapon isn't entirely to do with some apocalyptic desire to incinerate Israel and all non believers or whatever colorful language the regime decides to use for the day... it's about the survival of the regime.

    For North Korea and Iran it's more about gaining the ultimate deterrence against what they perceive as an imminent invasion and destruction of their governments as well as gaining influence of course.

    Ultimately both governments are extremely abhorrent to any civilized order or proliferation of basic human rights in the world and must one day, face the axe... especially in the case of the North Koreans.

    But to do that... is no easy task.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I heard someone make the argument that Obama doesn't believe the US has any rightful role in preventing or hindering Iran from developing and maintaining nuclear weapons. I don't know that that's true, and nobody but the President can answer to what he believes, so I'll ask what you believe. If Iran has the ability, does it have the "right" to nuclear weapons? (By "right", I mean the U.S. and other nations would not be unjustified in trying to prevent it.)

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    From a Realist perspective, they have the "right" to whatever they can get away with.

    We, in turn, have the "right" to impede them in such pursuits if it goes against our own interests.

    At the end of the day, it's really as simple as that. Iran has an agenda, and we have an agenda. Unfortunately, those agendas simply happen to be mutually incompatible.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Considering they have strategic control over 4 middle east capitals at this point, them having the bomb would make it much easier to start an empire.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Iran could conceivably already possess several nuclear devices and possibly a means to deliver.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    From a Realist perspective, they have the "right" to whatever they can get away with.

    We, in turn, have the "right" to impede them in such pursuits if it goes against our own interests.
    So God gave men the "right" to defend themselves.

    But governments have the right, assuming they have the power, to take that God-given "right" away.

    Don't let the folks over in the 2A forum know that a "very conservative" fella like yourself is spewing this liberal hogwash.


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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    What is the one country that has actually used such weapons aggressively? I don't see how the US has justifiable say in the matter and will just be ignored anyway

    The concern is always that rogue elements like ISIS will take advantage, but that is actually very contrary to iran's own interests.

    Does israel have right to be concerned? Absolutely, and so it will continue to play out in the form of israeli agents whacking iranian scientists. For me to have a problem with such a focused attack, the iranian leaders would have to give up the explicit threats like "eliminate the zionist regime" that have been condemned by the UN and EU, something that would be very difficult to do with any believable sincerity

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Their desire for a Nuclear Weapon isn't entirely to do with some apocalyptic desire to incinerate Israel and all non believers or whatever colorful language the regime decides to use for the day... it's about the survival of the regime.
    i believe that as well, so there's no reason for outside interference, but also not worth the risk for israel to do nothing at all in response to such threats
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Iran has as much right to nukes as anyone else. Nations with nukes don't get invaded, so it is understandable that they want them. I know of no principal that denies their right to have them while others have them. In my opinion, no one has a right to have them or use them. Using them is genocide.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    I really don't care if Iran has nukes or not. Certainly, they have entirely valid reasons for wanting them, after all, Israel and the west haven't treated them particularly well, they have every reason to distrust us and I don't blame them a bit. Heck, I probably trust our own government, with the yahoo Jesus squad anywhere near the big red button, less than I would trust Iran.
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