• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?[W:296, 650]

Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?


  • Total voters
    118
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

It did not escape the greatest POTUS of my lifetime.

Best Reagan Quotes on Nuclear Weapons
“We seek the total elimination one day of nuclear weapons from the face of the Earth.”
Ronald Reagan, Inaugural Address, 1985
“A nuclear war cannot be won and must never be fought. The only value in our two nations possessing nuclear weapons is to make sure they will never be used. But then would it not be better to do away with them entirely?”
Ronald Reagan, 1984 State of the Union
“It is my fervent goal and hope…that we will some day no longer have to rely on nuclear weapons to deter aggression and assure world peace. To that end the United States is now engaged in a serious and sustained effort to negotiate major reductions in levels of offensive nuclear weapons with the ultimate goal of eliminating these weapons from the face of the earth.”
Ronald Reagan, October 20, 1986
“I can’t believe that this world can go on beyond our generation and on down to succeeding generations with this kind of weapon on both sides poised at each other without someday some fool or some maniac or some accident triggering the kind of war that is the end of the line for all of us. And I just think of what a sigh of relief would go up from everyone on this earth if someday–and this is what I have–my hope, way in the back of my head–is that if we start down the road to reduction, maybe one day in doing that, somebody will say, ‘Why not all the way? Let’s get rid of all these things’.”
Ronald Reagan, May 16, 1983

“My central arms control objective has been to reduce substantially, and ultimately to eliminate, nuclear weapons and rid the world of the nuclear threat. The prevention of the spread of nuclear explosives to additional countries is an indispensable part of our efforts to meet this objective. I intend to continue my pursuit of this goal with untiring determination and a profound sense of personal commitment.”
Ronald Reagan, March 25, 1988 Message to Congress on NPT

It escaped the leadership who was racing to create the nasty bugger. Apparently it escaped them and those that continued to produce them, that a nuclear free planet enhanced US strength. As to Reagan's comments on nukes, meaningless platitudes that all presidents utter from time to time. As things are going, Iran will have a nuke, if that's their intention, and they probably will be followed.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

It escaped the leadership who was racing to create the nasty bugger. Apparently it escaped them and those that continued to produce them, that a nuclear free planet enhanced US strength. As to Reagan's comments on nukes, meaningless platitudes that all presidents utter from time to time. As things are going, Iran will have a nuke, if that's their intention, and they probably will be followed.

Gotta agree with you on this one.

We hear many of those meaningless platitudes and promises from the current administration as we have from all the administrations between the two
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

It escaped the leadership who was racing to create the nasty bugger. Apparently it escaped them and those that continued to produce them, that a nuclear free planet enhanced US strength. As to Reagan's comments on nukes, meaningless platitudes that all presidents utter from time to time. As things are going, Iran will have a nuke, if that's their intention, and they probably will be followed.

Those who created it (including some of the finest minds of their generation) were in the middle of a war for the future of civilization. As for RWR, I doubt you'll find another POTUS as persistent and clear on the subject. As both the Soviets and the air traffic controllers found out at great cost, he meant what he said.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

Those who created it (including some of the finest minds of their generation) were in the middle of a war for the future of civilization. As for RWR, I doubt you'll find another POTUS as persistent and clear on the subject. As both the Soviets and the air traffic controllers found out at great cost, he meant what he said.

And creating weaponry that could snuff out hundreds of thousands of lives in a flash was the grand scheme to save civilization, :roll: In the meantime, we worry about what Iran may do if they ever acquired them should they ever decide they'd like to have them.

Except when he couldn't remember what he said. And he did nothing to eliminate US nukes. Talk is cheap.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

And creating weaponry that could snuff out hundreds of thousands of lives in a flash was the grand scheme to save civilization, :roll: In the meantime, we worry about what Iran may do if they ever acquired them should they ever decide they'd like to have them.

Except when he couldn't remember what he said. And he did nothing to eliminate US nukes. Talk is cheap.

Reagan and Gorbachev signed the INF Treaty in 1987, which eliminated an entire category of nuclear weapons for the first time, and he laid the foundation for President George H.W. Bush to complete the first Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

Reagan and Gorbachev signed the INF Treaty in 1987, which eliminated an entire category of nuclear weapons for the first time, and he laid the foundation for President George H.W. Bush to complete the first Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty.

We still have nukes. And fellas here assure me that that's not going to change, unfortunately. Reduction of redundancy isn't elimination. Jack, care to comment on Iran anymore? It's kinda the topic, so at least toss something in on it in between.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

We still have nukes. And fellas here assure me that that's not going to change, unfortunately. Reduction of redundancy isn't elimination. Jack, care to comment on Iran anymore? It's kinda the topic, so at least toss something in on it in between.

I think Iran will get the bomb and the world will be less safe.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

Of course, but they would have a better argument then. They could complain about the US violating the UN rules by harrassing it.

And you think the US cares why?
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

No country has a right to a nuclear weapon. Not even the USA.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

And you believe this because . . . . ?

Because no country has the right to a weapons that can murder millions of people in a second, and then hinder generation after generation. No country should have a right to a weapons that can literally destroy life on this earth.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

Because no country has the right to a weapons that can murder millions of people in a second, and then hinder generation after generation. No country should have a right to a weapons that can literally destroy life on this earth.

Sorry, but your personal convictions, no matter how sincere, have no effect on the rights of nations.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

Not in the real world.

Yes, in the real world. Only in a make believe world can you pretend otherwise.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

Yes, in the real world. Only in a make believe world can you pretend otherwise.

In the abstract and absolute sense I'll concede your point. But those conditions rarely apply. In the real world the value of a combatant's cause and the outcome of the war are the primary determinants of what is classed as an atrocity.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

Sorry, but your personal convictions, no matter how sincere, have no effect on the rights of nations.

Ok. Then neither does anyones here either. If you extend your point any further, therefore no ones opinion matters here then...
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

Ok. Then neither does anyones here either. If you extend your point any further, therefore no ones opinion matters here then...

They don't, actually. That's why the better posts in this thread draw on treaty provisions and principles of international law.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

They don't, actually. That's why the better posts in this thread draw on treaty provisions and principles of international law.

So because some disagrees with the current law, therfore their opinion does not matter here on a site that is about debating politics? Why the hell are we even here then?
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

So because some disagrees with the current law, therfore their opinion does not matter here on a site that is about debating politics? Why the hell are we even here then?

Because the principles and continuing viability of current treaties, especially the NPT, form the crux of the matter.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

Because the principles and continuing viability of current treaties, especially the NPT, form the crux of the matter.

And we cant change those treaties?
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

Just because it's not in our best interests for them to have nukes doesnt mean it's not in their best interests, realistically and theoretically.

Just because we 'believe' we'd only use them in completely justifiable scenarios doesnt mean that's true or that such a scenario could even exist.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

If you believe that's the right thing to do then by all means make your case.

I have. Then you dismissed it because we have treaties.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

I have. Then you dismissed it because we have treaties.

No. Other than shouting about nuclear weapons' immorality, how would you persuade the current nuclear weapons states to give them up?
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

No. Other than shouting about nuclear weapons' immorality, how would you persuade the current nuclear weapons states to give them up?

The same way the START treaties have... Which used morality as one of the main points...
 
Back
Top Bottom