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Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?[W:296, 650]

Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?


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Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

Maybe but, we're discussing Iran

Oops, I'm sorry. I thought we were discussing prophecy.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

Iran has a right to defend itself like any other nation, and if it deems nukes to be critical to that role, so be it.

It needn't be said that the per-dollar value of nukes has diminished significantly over the years to cyber arms (which may soon completely replace nukes as a deterrent).

O certainly believes its OK for Iran to have nukes, or else he wouldn't be doing what he's doing.

What is "O" doing?
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

National sovereignty empowers nations to enter into treaties, and dissolve treaties as it may be in their interest. No other nation can force a treaty upon another.

Like I said, this is the one treaty that no one should be allowed to back out of once they signed it. I do of course know that isn't the way it is. But imo that should have been a stipulation put into the NPT. Also Iran and N. Korea wasn't forced into the NPT originally. The only thing that I'm advocating for is that they not be allowed to simply walk away from it after they willingly signed it the moment it becomes inconvenient for them.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

How do you know only 14 of the 64 voted 'yes'?

And how can someone 'screw' with the results?


When you view poll results click on one of the numbers. It will show who voted for what.

As for screwing with the results. A person simply as to stay logged out and vote, clear cookies and then vote again. Rinse repeat.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

But is that the right of the U.S. to dictate to the rest of the world, sounds a lot like colonialism

I don't care what it sounds like. Despite leftist prattle about sensitivity toward all, Muslim jihadists included, the world is not one big kindergarten. This country has no obligation to be fair to its enemies.

If we had a real president, the U.S. would tell the jihadist curs in Tehran what to do, and make them like it. They are scared of what this country could do to them if it wanted, and we should have taken advantage of that years ago to impose our will on them. Or, better yet, to get the murdering degenerates overthrown.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

Does the U.S. have the right to have nuclear weapons while denying other sovereign nations to same right? And because the NPT says so is not a good enough answer - that justifies the double standard of the haves and the have nots but does not make it right

It is a good answer. Iran voluntarily signed it. They have the right to leave it if they want. So long as they dont, they are bound by the agreement.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

So if Iran abrogates the NPT then you wont have a problem with that?

I wouldnt because its meaningless. We dont really enforce it.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

It is a good answer. Iran voluntarily signed it. They have the right to leave it if they want. So long as they dont, they are bound by the agreement.

And now they might withdraw their support of it. but taking your point since North Korea did not sign it and Israel did not sign it (and a couple of others I think) it would be okay for them to have and use nuclear weapons.

We have no moral superiority (short of colonial power) to dictate to other nations how they should live, our house is not in that good of order at this point on any number of issues
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

I don't care what it sounds like. Despite leftist prattle about sensitivity toward all, Muslim jihadists included, the world is not one big kindergarten. This country has no obligation to be fair to its enemies.

If we had a real president, the U.S. would tell the jihadist curs in Tehran what to do, and make them like it. They are scared of what this country could do to them if it wanted, and we should have taken advantage of that years ago to impose our will on them. Or, better yet, to get the murdering degenerates overthrown.

Sounds like you support world domination by the U.S. - who pray tell was the last real President - Truman He did nuke Japan so I guess that makes him a real president
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

Sounds like you support world domination by the U.S.

I support a foreign policy which is based on strength and which advances the interests of the United States. In other words, just the opposite of the limpwristed foreign policy the un-American liar now occupying the White House has pursued. Like many other statists, he does not much like this country.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

I support a foreign policy which is based on strength and which advances the interests of the United States. In other words, just the opposite of the limpwristed foreign policy the un-American liar now occupying the White House has pursued. Like many other statists, he does not much like this country.

Well I love my country and am I retired vet, but I also do not think we have the right to impose our will on the rest of the world, if we ar unwilling to do what we ask them to do, in this case give up all nuclear weapons and the right to develop nuclear weapons
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

Like I said, this is the one treaty that no one should be allowed to back out of once they signed it. I do of course know that isn't the way it is. But imo that should have been a stipulation put into the NPT. Also Iran and N. Korea wasn't forced into the NPT originally. The only thing that I'm advocating for is that they not be allowed to simply walk away from it after they willingly signed it the moment it becomes inconvenient for them.

I understand your sentiments, and somebody else may believe that xyz treaty is one that no country should be able to back out of, and you get my point. A sovereign nation decides when it's in their interest to enter or exit a treaty. I can assure you that the US would exit any treaty that had become too inconvenient, and wouldn't wait around for a global consensus.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

Well I love my country and am I retired vet, but I also do not think we have the right to impose our will on the rest of the world, if we ar unwilling to do what we ask them to do, in this case give up all nuclear weapons and the right to develop nuclear weapons

Right. You can show up here daily and demonize one party or the other with ample support, the moment you criticize both is the moment you'll wear the anti-American label.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

Right. You can show up here daily and demonize one party or the other with ample support, the moment you criticize both is the moment you'll wear the anti-American label.

Well I am an independent and have been criticizing both parties for decades and will never wear an anti-American label
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

:roll: Call me when the "Jesus squad" starts publicly executing gays, denying the holocaust, and stating that they don't mind seeing the US burn if it means the triumph of Christianity over the world.

The only reason they don't is because secular society doesn't allow it. I'm sure you could find lots of extremist Christians who would be very happy to start executing gays, in fact, some asshat politician from California just suggested such a thing. And, of course, most of these people think that America is a gift from God, so seeing it burn is probably not an option, but the rest of the world? They don't really care.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

The only reason they don't is because secular society doesn't allow it. I'm sure you could find lots of extremist Christians who would be very happy to start executing gays, in fact, some asshat politician from California just suggested such a thing. And, of course, most of these people think that America is a gift from God, so seeing it burn is probably not an option, but the rest of the world? They don't really care.

The only people that I've ever heard of like that are the Phelps' which is a church which consists of one guy and his family and they certainly aren't controlling this country or have access to "the button".
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

Well I am an independent and have been criticizing both parties for decades and will never wear an anti-American label

No, it will be pinned on you by others was my point. You must be partisan, don't you know?
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

The only people that I've ever heard of like that are the Phelps' which is a church which consists of one guy and his family and they certainly aren't controlling this country or have access to "the button".

Then maybe you need to do a little more research because those people are out there and for every one of them that is open about their desires, there are many more who would love the opportunity but say nothing.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

I heard someone make the argument that Obama doesn't believe the US has any rightful role in preventing or hindering Iran from developing and maintaining nuclear weapons. I don't know that that's true, and nobody but the President can answer to what he believes, so I'll ask what you believe. If Iran has the ability, does it have the "right" to nuclear weapons? (By "right", I mean the U.S. and other nations would not be unjustified in trying to prevent it.)

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"Right" has nothing to do with it.


It is about what the "Results" are likely to be, and they're not likely to be good for anyone, including Iranians.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

When you view poll results click on one of the numbers. It will show who voted for what.

As for screwing with the results. A person simply as to stay logged out and vote, clear cookies and then vote again. Rinse repeat.

Can't that be fixed? Seems like a rather recent development.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

Can't that be fixed? Seems like a rather recent development.

Re the poll results, I too noted that those who have actually voted show the "no" vote outnumbering the "yes" vote 2 to 1, yet the graph shows the opposite. Surely there is a way to fix that?

But I again cite my rabid dog analogy for my argument for Iran not getting nuclear weapons. To give a theocratic bully like Iran capability to use or give nuclear weapons to others on the argument that they have as much right to nuclear weapons as anybody else is to say that the rabid dog has as much right to run free in the dog park as much as any other dogs do.
 
Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

Can't that be fixed? Seems like a rather recent development.

Its been that way ever since I started posting here. It could be fixed by simply only allowing members to vote. However Admin doesn't want to restrict it in the Polls section as it does help convince people to become members. And I agree with that. :) Quite a few people have started posting here because of being able to answer polls in the poll section. The rest of the forum however the polls are restricted to members only. Unfortunately there are people that take advantage of it. "shrug" Partisan hackery at its finest I guess.
 
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