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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert in Ohio View Post
    Does the U.S. have the right to have nuclear weapons while denying other sovereign nations to same right? And because the NPT says so is not a good enough answer - that justifies the double standard of the haves and the have nots but does not make it right
    The issue has NOTHING to do with "fairness," and accordingly "double standard" is irrelevant.

    In fact, it is absurd to claim that is the issue. Does every country have the "right" to have the means to totally destroy the USA in a nuclear attack or to irradiate the entire world in such an attack against another country? Do you think that such "rights" exist or ever have among and between nations?

    Such a level of being nave and so zippy pinhead lost in platitudes it is difficult to believe any adult could even think in those terms.

    Does Vatican City - a country - have a "right" to 5,000 intercontinental ballistic missiles with MIRV warheads? What about Tulavu with 12,000 people? Apparently some people think so.

    What about a state or a city? Do the citizens of Mosul have a "right" to nuclear weapon?

    Discussing this in terms of rights is absurd.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I heard someone make the argument that Obama doesn't believe the US has any rightful role in preventing or hindering Iran from developing and maintaining nuclear weapons. I don't know that that's true, and nobody but the President can answer to what he believes, so I'll ask what you believe. If Iran has the ability, does it have the "right" to nuclear weapons? (By "right", I mean the U.S. and other nations would not be unjustified in trying to prevent it.)

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    Iran signed the Non-Proliferation treaty. As such, even if a country could have such a "Right", Iran signed their Right to it away by agreeing to and signing the NPT. As such, all other signatories to the NPT have the Right to interfere with Iran getting nuclear weapons technology.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I think the answer really depends on your point of view.

    Should they have them?

    Absolutely ****ing not.

    I think that we as a collection of nations (The West) in our best interests should not allow Iran to obtain a nuclear weapon.

    But lets not kid ourselves.

    Their desire for a Nuclear Weapon isn't entirely to do with some apocalyptic desire to incinerate Israel and all non believers or whatever colorful language the regime decides to use for the day... it's about the survival of the regime.

    For North Korea and Iran it's more about gaining the ultimate deterrence against what they perceive as an imminent invasion and destruction of their governments as well as gaining influence of course.

    Ultimately both governments are extremely abhorrent to any civilized order or proliferation of basic human rights in the world and must one day, face the axe... especially in the case of the North Koreans.

    But to do that... is no easy task.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    From a Realist perspective, they have the "right" to whatever they can get away with.

    We, in turn, have the "right" to impede them in such pursuits if it goes against our own interests.

    At the end of the day, it's really as simple as that. Iran has an agenda, and we have an agenda. Unfortunately, those agendas simply happen to be mutually incompatible.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Iran has as much right to nukes as anyone else. Nations with nukes don't get invaded, so it is understandable that they want them. I know of no principal that denies their right to have them while others have them. In my opinion, no one has a right to have them or use them. Using them is genocide.
    If they want nukes then we have the right to continue with the sanctions, increase the sanctions, support opposition groups within their nation, and generally keep them relegated to the pariah state that they are, if on the other hand they wish to become members of the global community then they will give up trying to gain the most destructive weapon ever conceived.

    On a more realistic note, anyone who really expects the US to allow a nation whose national motto is "death to America" to obtain a literal doomsday weapon is delusional.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Heck, I probably trust our own government, with the yahoo Jesus squad anywhere near the big red button, less than I would trust Iran.
    Call me when the "Jesus squad" starts publicly executing gays, denying the holocaust, and stating that they don't mind seeing the US burn if it means the triumph of Christianity over the world.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I heard someone make the argument that Obama doesn't believe the US has any rightful role in preventing or hindering Iran from developing and maintaining nuclear weapons. I don't know that that's true, and nobody but the President can answer to what he believes, so I'll ask what you believe. If Iran has the ability, does it have the "right" to nuclear weapons? (By "right", I mean the U.S. and other nations would not be unjustified in trying to prevent it.)

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    That would be Ronald Reagan's position, but define right? Do we believe a sovereign nation has the right to act as it sees fit within it's borders? Or de we believe all nations should be subjected to the control of another entity? It seems to me Reagan was at least consistent and many republicans and others are less so today. We can't allow the UN to guide us at all, but we can tell Iran what they can and can't do. It's not about Iran and the UIS being the same, outside of being sovereign nations, but being consistent in our ideology.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    If Israel does, then so does Iran.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    So you have No REAL answer to Iran having Signed AWAY that 'Right'. (Reaffirmed under the Revolutionary Govt)
    Just your usual Empty Hostility/Deflection after getting Gutted again.
    What's that now.. 0-fer-4612?
    And they are not making nukes. There is nothing in the treaty that prevents them for conducting experiments with nuclear materials... just dont make nukes. Iran says it wants nuclear power and be self sustaining.. why is that wrong? And Iran could just leave the treaty .. would that make the US and west shut up?
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Iran signed the Non-Proliferation treaty. As such, even if a country could have such a "Right", Iran signed their Right to it away by agreeing to and signing the NPT. As such, all other signatories to the NPT have the Right to interfere with Iran getting nuclear weapons technology.
    So if Iran abrogates the NPT then you wont have a problem with that?

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    So if Iran abrogates the NPT then you wont have a problem with that?
    North Korea did. They pulled out of the NPT a few years back. I said it then and I say it now....The NPT is one treaty that no one should be allowed to back out of unless they are let out by the majority of the other signatories. Simple majority is fine. Partly because by signing the treaty they signed whatever perceived or actual Right they had to make such weapons away. And when it comes to N. Korea and Iran....well...lets just say I wouldn't trust either of them as far as I could throw the sun towards the center of the Milky Way Galaxy. Admittedly I'd trust Iran sooner than N. Korea. But only because N. Korea is FREAKING CRAZY compared to Iran....and well...most other countries to.
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