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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    Do America and Israel have a right to nuclear weapons?
    The NPT attempts to answer that question. For me, there's no such thing as a "right" to nukes. States either have them or they don't.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    Do America and Israel have a right to nuclear weapons?
    Conveniently ignored, while no nation has a right to such things, the poll could have been phrased better, it's whether or not a nation can do it, or if a stronger nation can prevent them. Who was going to prevent America from acquiring them, or who is going to take them away from us. Might makes right. As to Iran, people are keen to point out that they sponsor terrorism, well, that's too bad, but so does Saudi Arabia, Israel, the UK and many other ally's of ours, not to mention our own history of its use to advance our "interests". Americans tend to be very patronising.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    People spend way too much time concerned with "rights", which really don't exist.
    Well, in that case, then neither does this.:

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    It, too, is just a figment of someone's overactive imagination.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by NoC_T View Post
    Do America and Israel have a right to nuclear weapons?
    This isn't about equity or fairness, take that back to where it belongs--kindergarten.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The NPT attempts to answer that question. For me, there's no such thing as a "right" to nukes. States either have them or they don't.
    Agreed.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Conveniently ignored, while no nation has a right to such things, the poll could have been phrased better, it's whether or not a nation can do it, or if a stronger nation can prevent them. Who was going to prevent America from acquiring them, or who is going to take them away from us. Might makes right. As to Iran, people are keen to point out that they sponsor terrorism, well, that's too bad, but so does Saudi Arabia, Israel, the UK and many other ally's of ours, not to mention our own history of its use to advance our "interests". Americans tend to be very patronising.
    I agree. It's complete hypocrisy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    This isn't about equity or fairness, take that back to where it belongs--kindergarten.
    Don't troll the thread and stick to the point.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Well, in that case, then neither does this.:

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    It, too, is just a figment of someone's overactive imagination.
    I'm not going to dig into the math but so long as the data is accurate, then the equation absolutely is real and possibly provides valid figures. There is no data for rights. Nobody can explain where their information came from. It's all subjective, people just demanding that a certain kind of rights are actually real and valid without being able to show why this is actually true.

    Do try again though.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by B'smith View Post
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    I think that it's hard to justify to Iran how allowing Israel to have a nuclear arsenal with its record of aggression & illegal Expansion, UN Resolution violations routine massacres in Gaza, S Lebanon etc is justified when Iran is forced to go by rules Israel is allowed to flaunt

    What's the point of having any Nuclear regulation unless they're uniformly enforced........that's all.


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    (We can drop this if you'd like since it seems to be a simple difference of opinion)
    No. I think it is also a difference of opinion. But the main thing here is that Iran is and Israel is not forbidden to have nuclear weapons. And the Security Council decided that something had to be done about Iran.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    There is no data for rights. Nobody can explain where their information came from.
    It is problematic to create a mathematical construct to describe an abstract concept that has no physical manifestation. To my knowledge, no one has yet been able to touch, see, feel, taste, or hear a "right." But it's a but presumptuous, I think, to claim that such a thing doesn't exist simply because it can't be quantified. I mean, who can show the data proving that love exists or can quantify it? NOBODY! It's completely subjective, and yet for anyone to then declare that love doesn't exist is absurd on its face.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    It is problematic to create a mathematical construct to describe an abstract concept that has no physical manifestation. To my knowledge, no one has yet been able to touch, see, feel, taste, or hear a "right." But it's a but presumptuous, I think, to claim that such a thing doesn't exist simply because it can't be quantified. I mean, who can show the data proving that love exists or can quantify it? NOBODY! It's completely subjective, and yet for anyone to then declare that love doesn't exist is absurd on its face.
    Funny, science does it all the time, there are mathematical models for all kinds of things that we cannot study in reality. But when it comes to crazy libertarian nonsense, suddenly it can't be done? It's just a bunch of people waving their arms around and pretending that somehow, in some undefined and undefended way, they've just magically struck on this imaginary reality that these rights are just floating around out there in the ether and when someone asks how you've come to that conclusion, objectively, rationally and with evidence, you have nothing to present but your certainty that it just has to be right because it makes you feel good to think so.

    Sure. Whatever you say.
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