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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    You bet some are [just not in a good way] but, the scripture describes the One [New] World Order.
    Ok, but I don't get your point. A metaphoric book, written by a dude in a trance a couple thousand years ago has what bearing on Iran's nuclear power program today?
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    I'm over it...how about you?
    Well, sense Iraq is still in far worse condition then it was when Powell warned of the pottery barn rule, no, not so much. And for many Iraqis, they will likely never get over it, and don't really care that Bush's lies were no inconvenience to YOU!!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    They have supported proxy wars for decades.
    The US?
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    I don't think Iran even wants nuclear weapons. It's doing nicely without them -
    glomming up Iraq/Hiz in Lebanon / and a few other places I cn't think of off the top of my head.

    What would a nuke do for Iran, except make it a target?
    Iran's interest is in empire ( both hard and soft power projection) - and it's doing just fine.
    Doesn't make me happy, but it is what it is, and as long as the Sunnis continue internecine war, it will take advantage of that

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Ok, but I don't get your point. A metaphoric book, written by a dude in a trance a couple thousand years ago has what bearing on Iran's nuclear power program today?
    does Iran have a right to nukes?

    Would you give a known terrorist a batch of nerve gas?

    Would you give skinheads an arsenal of high explosives?

    Would you give a known threat a weapon capable of changing the power structure of the planet?
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    does Iran have a right to nukes?

    Would you give a known terrorist a batch of nerve gas?

    Would you give skinheads an arsenal of high explosives?

    Would you give a known threat a weapon capable of changing the power structure of the planet?
    I don't know. I don't think anybody was discussing giving Iran anything. I do know that only one country has ever used its nukes, on a civilian target. So your lofty pretense doesn't move me. And what again does John, the isle of Patmos and the book of revelation have to do with an Iranian nuclear power program?
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I heard someone make the argument that Obama doesn't believe the US has any rightful role in preventing or hindering Iran from developing and maintaining nuclear weapons. I don't know that that's true, and nobody but the President can answer to what he believes, so I'll ask what you believe. If Iran has the ability, does it have the "right" to nuclear weapons? (By "right", I mean the U.S. and other nations would not be unjustified in trying to prevent it.)

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    Depends on what level of morality we are talking about.

    In the highest sense, all nuclear weapons are wrong because mass murder, threats, and violence are wrong. In the second highest sense, the proliferation of nuclear weapons is wrong because it could end all human life and civilization as we know it. In the lowest senses, anything goes because their power is as much of a currency as our power and etc.

    In a Kierkegaardian context, you might say that abstaining from all nuclear weapons would make you a "knight of the faith", trusting in god to see to the affairs of the world. The second level makes you ethical and honorable. The third makes you a cretin.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I heard someone make the argument that Obama doesn't believe the US has any rightful role in preventing or hindering Iran from developing and maintaining nuclear weapons. I don't know that that's true, and nobody but the President can answer to what he believes, so I'll ask what you believe. If Iran has the ability, does it have the "right" to nuclear weapons? (By "right", I mean the U.S. and other nations would not be unjustified in trying to prevent it.)

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    Does the U.S. have the right to have nuclear weapons while denying other sovereign nations to same right? And because the NPT says so is not a good enough answer - that justifies the double standard of the haves and the have nots but does not make it right

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert in Ohio View Post
    Does the U.S. have the right to have nuclear weapons while denying other sovereign nations to same right? And because the NPT says so is not a good enough answer - that justifies the double standard of the haves and the have nots but does not make it right
    The NPT explicitly enshrined a double standard in the interest of reducing the potential for use of nuclear weapons.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    No country has the "right" to nuclear weapons as it has nothing to do with rights. The question is does the country have the ability to obtain them - and does it want them? There are pros and cons to doing so.

    That is NOT the question to the USA, West and other countries of the world. The question is that of which is worse for us - what it takes to prevent Iran from having nuclear weapons and the risks of pursuing Iran not having such weapons versus what are the risks of Iran having them.

    The risks of Iran having them is that the government would use, or covertly allow others to use, or export, or extort with, and militant religious zealots obtaining control of them - and using them VERSUS all it will take to try to stop that risk from existing.

    Thus, the risk if a nuclear attack against Israel, the risk of a nuclear arms race across the world among countries that don't have nuclear weapons - and those risks - and the risk of a nuclear terrorist attack against the USA.

    In my opinion, those are such horrific potentials that nearly anything done to prevent it makes it worth while to try to prevent that risk from existing.

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