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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by wanderlust View Post
    I don't really think that any country should have or produce nuclear weapons since they are a danger to all of humanity, but as it stands at this moment I think that Iran should be able to research and produce whatever they want just like we do since we have no authority over them.
    Iran signed the UN NPT in 1968 which regulates nuclear research, development, and application.


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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Iran signed the UN NPT in 1968 which regulates nuclear research, development, and application.
    I didn't know that, thanks. I just don't know if we truly have a moral high ground to enforce such a thing when even after we reduce our own nuclear stockpile we still have more nuclear weapons than pretty much all other countries. Keeping such a huge stockpile while telling others that they can't even have one just seems hypocritical to me. If all countries that currently have them dismantled then I think it would carry more weight but I recognize that there would always probably be that one country that saves a few.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by wanderlust View Post
    I didn't know that, thanks. I just don't know if we truly have a moral high ground to enforce such a thing when even after we reduce our own nuclear stockpile we still have more nuclear weapons than pretty much all other countries. Keeping such a huge stockpile while telling others that they can't even have one just seems hypocritical to me. If all countries that currently have them dismantled then I think it would carry more weight but I recognize that there would always probably be that one country that saves a few.
    Moral high-ground is not a part of the equation. The world recognized the dangers of nuclear proliferation and responded in the late 60s with the NPT. It is what it is ... not perfect but much better than having nothing at all. 190 nations have signed the NPT. North Korea withdrew in 2003. India, Pakistan, Israel, and South Sudan never signed the NPT.


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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Iran signed the UN NPT in 1968 which regulates nuclear research, development, and application.
    What happens, then, when the United States contravenes a binding international legal obligation in a manner so obvious and unarguable that it can offer no defense to the charge of breach?
    It happens more often than one might think and to more important treaties than one would hope, including treaties for which the United States continues to depend upon fastidious performance by other countries. Here, I present three illustrative cases studies of blatant U.S. violations of binding international legal obligations: the 1993 Chemical Weapons Convention, the 1963 Vienna Convention on Consular Relations, and the obligation to pay annual dues under the Charter of the United Nations. I explain the causes of these breaches and examine their adverse consequences for the United States and for the international rule of law.

    Read about it here.

    http://www.fletcherforum.org/wp-cont...oplow_37-1.pdf

    And of course this doesn't even speak to the scores of treaties violated against the native Americans displaced!
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    Moral high-ground is not a part of the equation. The world recognized the dangers of nuclear proliferation and responded in the late 60s with the NPT. It is what it is ... not perfect but much better than having nothing at all. 190 nations have signed the NPT. North Korea withdrew in 2003. India, Pakistan, Israel, and South Sudan never signed the NPT.
    By the way I wasn't being sarcastic or rude when I said I didn't know, I honestly didn't know.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by wanderlust View Post
    I didn't know that, thanks. I just don't know if we truly have a moral high ground to enforce such a thing when even after we reduce our own nuclear stockpile we still have more nuclear weapons than pretty much all other countries. Keeping such a huge stockpile while telling others that they can't even have one just seems hypocritical to me. If all countries that currently have them dismantled then I think it would carry more weight but I recognize that there would always probably be that one country that saves a few.
    Of course the US advances it's FP on the basis of self determination, democracy, rule of law, morals, ethics, and essentially the high ground to which you speak. Sometimes that represents reality, and sometimes that's a facade.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by wanderlust View Post
    I don't really think that any country should have or produce nuclear weapons since they are a danger to all of humanity, but as it stands at this moment I think that Iran should be able to research and produce whatever they want just like we do since we have no authority over them.
    Oh yes we do. And the US spends eight times more cash on the military than its nearest competitor to maintain that uni-polar advantage. Iran is absolutely no military match for the US, and as such we exercise every authority over them that we wish to.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Oh yes we do. And the US spends eight times more cash on the military than its nearest competitor to maintain that uni-polar advantage. Iran is absolutely no military match for the US, and as such we exercise every authority over them that we wish.
    ok but who is the real threat then? If power corrupts then as we get more and more powerful will we be able to truly claim the moral high ground?

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by wanderlust View Post
    ok but who is the real threat then? If power corrupts then as we get more and more powerful will we be able to truly claim the moral high ground?
    No, with more and more power, you can truly claim that might is equal to right. Governments don't act morally. They advance their interests. Don't think for one minute that any USFP has morality at its foundation, nor any other country.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    That's a foolish view, but I won't try to explain. Fact is Israel would not go down alone. Much damage in many places.
    Either way I don't care. Israel is a terrorist state and should be treated as such. They are a parasitic people leeching on the rest of the world.

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