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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by tjweeks View Post
    They have the right, but why do the need them? Mutually Assured Destruction?
    There is no such thing as a right to nuclear weapons. However, that is the reason, yes. In realistic terms it takes very few to accomplish that goal. Iran does have a submarine fleet. That and a few nuclear weapons and Iran will soon have the capacity to effectively obliterate the USA and the UK. NYC, DC, Chicago, LA, Houston, Miami, Atlanta and the USA economy is fully destroyed even if nothing else is hit.

    Saudi Arabia now has no alternative but also to obtain a nuclear weapons arsenal. Egypt will want them but will have problems raising the money for them. A lot of them. So will Turkey.

    CERTAINLY BY NOW no county doesn't understand to never rely on the USA or the West for defense of their country.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Again, this changes little to nothing. And morality that is so malleable as to be meaningless is having no morals at all. You give credence to the terrorist argument that the results justify the emans.
    That logic doesn't work. Japan has a massive military and massive storehouse of weapons and aircraft, with plans for a genocidal fight the ends ultimately to Japan's mountains where their reserve armaments and aircraft was kept. They had a million troops in China to bring back.

    It was not just a question of how many hundreds of thousands of Americans might have been killed, but how many millions upon millions of Japanese would be killed in the fight, with starvation and disease likely killing even more Japanese.

    The "terrorism" would have been killing Japanese across the entire nation of Japan by the millions upon millions.

    The two atomic bombing sent an exact message. The Emperor could not defend his palace or capital against an atomic bombing. We specifically did NOT bomb Tokyo NOR the largest Japanese population centers. If we killed the Emperor who could surrender? But if he wouldn't, that is exactly what would have happened. Him and the center of Japanese government would have been obliterated.

    The usage of the atomic bombs was specifically 1.) to save American lives, 2.) to save Japanese lives and 3.) not have to kill the Emperor of Japan to facilitate a surrender. It worked exactly as hoped - saving countless millions of lives.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    True enough. And Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi, Assad and others contained it.
    Agreed. However, Hussein poised a unique risk justifying the first Gulf War, when he should have been eliminated - but the government otherwise left intact. The second Gulf War was a mistake.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    True enough. And Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi, Assad and others contained it.
    Containing it is not a solution, human rights and democracy is. That you support addressing a symptom with genocide is disgusting.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?[W:296, 650]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Nobody's reading all that.
    Yes, because a person can only learn by talking. Besides, details are just annoying. It's cool slogans that matter.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Containing it is not a solution, human rights and democracy is. That you support addressing a symptom with genocide is disgusting.
    Unfortunately, TRUE genocide historically works if the goal is to eliminate an enemy because it is permanent and there is no chance of retaliation later.

    Hitler did succeed in effectively purging Jews from Europe and anti-semitism has mostly purged Jews from most of the world to the extent of having no influence. Muslims are nearly 1/4th of the world's population and control enormous amounts of the earth. Did their genocides fail or succeed in comparison to the Jews. Who do people FEAR now and HAVE to work with, negotiate with, and make deals with on the world stage - Muslims or Jews?

    It could be argued Jew's greatest mistake was to cease engaging in total genocidal submit-convert-or-die warfare 2900 years ago - but virtually no one else did.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Unfortunately, TRUE genocide historically works if the goal is to eliminate an enemy because it is permanent and there is no chance of retaliation later.
    Irrelevant. The stated goal was the containment of sectarian strife. As I noted, the goal should not be containment, it should be solution. That the containment is acclaimed despite the means being genocide is flat-out disgusting.

    Further, retaliation could come from others, so your irrelevant premise is BS.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Irrelevant. The stated goal was the containment of sectarian strife. As I noted, the goal should not be containment, it should be solution. That the containment is acclaimed despite the means being genocide is flat-out disgusting.

    Further, retaliation could come from others, so your irrelevant premise is BS.
    Yes, it would be irrelevant if the only relevancy on the forum was you.

    The Amerindians of the Caribbean were 100% genocided into non-existence 2 centuries ago.

    How much longer before the "retaliation by others?"

    You're idea of posting "BE NICE" signs in the ME isn't going to solve the conflict between Shia and Sunni. There is exactly NOTHING the West can do about that. Ever.

    GENOCIDE is entirely relevant to THIS topic, which is not "Fantasize Of World Harmony", as that is the potential ability of Iran with nuclear weapons, just like it is for every nuclear power.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yes, you cite nothing new there. But it is unlikely that the Nuke was necessary.
    Unfortunately for you "nothing new" is more than enough; because it is what it is!

    Still, Losing military life in a war is more acceptable than civilian life. And we took a lot of civilian lives, more if you count the long term effects of the radiation. It wasn't moral.
    What an incredible crock of absolute poo-poo; Boo!

    Most Americans have always preferred their leaders make wartime military lives a priority over enemy civilian casualties_

    Especially when said war was initiated with a massive sneak attack by a ruthless enemy before it issued a Declaration of War!

    And by justifying it,
    Preventing an estimated one million American casualties absolutely "justify the means" and anyone who has ever served or had a friend or loved one in the military knows this!

    you make the case for every terrorist group out there that the ends justify the means.
    And the fact that you can actually compare the United States to a bunch of radical psycho Islamic terrorists only demonstrates your warped sense of priority!
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by tjweeks View Post
    They have the right, but why do the need them? Mutually Assured Destruction?
    Quote Originally Posted by Dovkan View Post
    No country needs them, but if one has them, every other country will "have" to have them.
    It's no longer a matter of a "right" or a "need" for the United States___It's now an obligation to humanity!
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    When a crime is rewarded ~ it becomes epidemic:

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