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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No they haven't, for the reasons I stated.
    You will have difficulty finding a professional historian of any standing who has offered that critique since 2010.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, that is not fact. That is supposition. And it doesn't address the reasoning either. These were civilian deaths, innocent women and children and not soldiers. Terror from above, murder. Not war. Not soldiers. Not combatants. Not collateral, but deliberate. Targeted civilians.
    Their deaths saved millions more. It was a good trade.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    An excellent article discussing the morality of the situation. I do have some disagreement but not a lot. I suspect the same is true for you: The Atomic Bombings Reconsidered | Foreign Affairs. The last section entitled "THE REDEFINITION OF MORALITY" acknowledges your position and doesn't necessarily agree with mine. Again, I look at it in the context of the times and what was known and the decision Truman made. An atomic bomb had never been used so it wasn't entirely clear what would happen, including it being a dud.

    I never said that this was a proud moment for the US, but I understand why it was done. The fact that there were so many civilians did not keep these cities from being targeted, but I do not believe that there was any reason to avoid them--again, in the context of the situation and the times. Wars are bad, and no war is better than a short war and a short war is better than a long one. I also believe that having real life examples of the horrors of atomic and nuclear weapons has been a valuable lesson in the horrors of their use. My point that targeting a bomb to hit a target doesn't mean that civilians were specifically targeted. As the article indicated, the War changed the standards of morality and not necessarily for the better. You don't care about that context but I'm satisfied my point has been made.
    Indeed, your point was made sometime ago. I hope that Russia or no other nuclear power has to make the same "tuff choice" someday as they justify using nuclear weapons on some us cities, arguing that it ended their war with us sooner and saved Russian lives, as a justification. Anyone can justify anything. Can we be done with this now? It seems we've got to be wringing our hands about Iranian nukes now.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No they haven't, for the reasons I stated.
    The only "credible" historians are those that argue the justification of using nuclear weapons on civilian targets. Most likely somebody else will be justifying there use as well someday.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, that is not fact. That is supposition. And it doesn't address the reasoning either. These were civilian deaths, innocent women and children and not soldiers. Terror from above, murder. Not war. Not soldiers. Not combatants. Not collateral, but deliberate. Targeted civilians.
    That was war then. Total war and destruction. From what I recall more civilians died in WW2 than soldiers.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The only "credible" historians are those that argue the justification of using nuclear weapons on civilian targets. Most likely somebody else will be justifying there use as well someday.
    After Okinawa it was clear what the results of a land invasion of Japan would be.
    Japan had pulled as many assets as they could to the home islands. Then Russia declared war and invaded the Kuril Islands & took the rest of the Sakhalin Island.

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    U.S. manpower losses amounted to over 82,000 casualties, including non-battle casualties (psychiatric, injuries, illnesses) of whom over 12,500 were killed or missing. Battle deaths were 4,907 Navy, 4,675 Army, and 2,938 Marine Corps personnel.[40] Several thousand servicemen who died indirectly (from wounds and other causes) at a later date are not included in the total. One of the most famous U.S. casualties was the war correspondent Ernie Pyle, who was killed by Japanese sniper fire on Ie Island (Ie Shima, a small island just off of northwestern Okinawa).[41] Lt. Gen. Buckner's decision to attack the Japanese defenses head-on, although extremely costly in U.S. lives, was ultimately successful. Just four days from the closing of the campaign, Buckner was killed by Japanese artillery fire, which blew lethal slivers of coral into his body, while inspecting his troops at the front line. He was the highest-ranking U.S. officer to be killed by enemy fire during the war. The day after Buckner was killed, Brig. Gen. Claudius Miller Easley was killed by machine gun fire.
    Quote Originally Posted by RickJames3000 View Post
    You need to revisit the chain of association... you only insisted you were a Trump-supporter after you figured out that made you a pederast as well. If I were you. I'd be more discreet about it... but I guess it's your dime.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    After Okinawa it was clear what the results of a land invasion of Japan would be.
    Japan had pulled as many assets as they could to the home islands. Then Russia declared war and invaded the Kuril Islands & took the rest of the Sakhalin Island.

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    Sorry dude, I've debated this a dozen times in a dozen threads, it's not the op topic and anyway, there's no concern that Iran gets a nuclear weapon, that's covered. That's the point. The hand wringing is for nothing.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Sorry dude, I've debated this a dozen times in a dozen threads, it's not the op topic and anyway, there's no concern that Iran gets a nuclear weapon, that's covered. That's the point. The hand wringing is for nothing.
    When Iran does their first underground atomic test and if you're still on this board I'll make sure to mention this and link it in every future conversation you and I might have. Mmkay? *bookmarked*
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    When Iran does their first underground atomic test and if you're still on this board I'll make sure to mention this and link it in every future conversation you and I might have. Mmkay? *bookmarked*
    Please do, and let me know when Egypt tests theirs, keep an eye on Mexico and Venezuela too, I'd like to keep abreast of their "atomic" (lol) tests, too! You guys with all your fear mongering, listening to that freak in Israel are a real Jim dandy. It doesn't matter that the Israeli and US intelligence services have stated that there's nothing there. It doesn't matter that six of the worlds most powerful nations are working together to ensure that Iran doesn't get nuclear weapons, all that matters is that that god damn black man in the White House hates America, loves Muslims, is handing out nukes to all our enemies, oh and get this, he wants all Americans to vote, and wants all Americans to earn a living wage, and wants all Americans to have affordable health care, too!!!!! Hey, let me know when the sun burns out too, I need to be abreast of that. I should still be on this board for that event. At last, if Iran tricked everybody and secured a nuke, hopefully they wouldn't run right out while the paint is still drying on it, with some calloused message written on it, and drop it on one of their enemies cities.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Please do...
    Already done my friend.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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