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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?[W:296]

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I heard someone make the argument that Obama doesn't believe the US has any rightful role in preventing or hindering Iran from developing and maintaining nuclear weapons. I don't know that that's true, and nobody but the President can answer to what he believes, so I'll ask what you believe. If Iran has the ability, does it have the "right" to nuclear weapons? (By "right", I mean the U.S. and other nations would not be unjustified in trying to prevent it.)

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    I say yes they do just as much as the US,Britain or any other country that currently has nukes. I think the better question should be is do countries that have nukes have any business telling other countries if they can or can't have nukes.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    according to some friends USA has the right to nuke any nation but iran doesnt . )
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    didn't Iran sign the non-proliferation pact?
    I'm not all that concerned about nukes -I am concerned about Iranian regional hegemony..

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You're still wrong.

    The U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey group, assigned by President Truman to study the air attacks on Japan, produced a report in July of 1946 that concluded (52-56):

    Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey’s opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945 and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated.

    Of course Eisenhower was agenda driven????? Sorry, but he had a heated discussion with Stimson at the time. And his other comment was after he was no longer president and in retirement. What would that agenda be exactly. And what about Truman, of course he would have cause to defend his own decision to use nuclear weapons, and until his death he did.

    I perused the thread a little and don't see that you commented on Iran, and it's alleged nuclear weapons ambition, any thoughts on that??
    Had the report been issued in 1944, then you would have some relevant information to discuss about the decision Truman made in 1945. The document was an interesting read. Did you actually read it or were you just referred to it by others with your hindsight opinion?

    How about an actually relevant document which was the minutes of a meeting that took place on June 18, 1945 to discuss Japan: http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistle...1.pdf#zoom=100.

    Note on page 4, Eisenhower did have his opinion on the idea that "air power alone was not sufficient to put the Japanese out of the war" meaning that an invasion was necessary. The relevant leaders were in the room, except for Arnold who was well represented by Eaker. Eisenhower was not present.

    So you may have disagreed with the decision and even how it was carried out, but it was an attack on military targets (which you stopped saying that it was many posts ago) surrounded by a lot of people and without the benefit of YOUR hindsight, Truman made a decision that he stood by. In my own opinion, Truman dropped 1 atomic bomb, the Japanese leaders dropped the 2nd one by not surrendering sooner. Unconditional Surrender were the terms and they were well known. The same terms were applied to Italy and Germany and you object to those terms with a very weak statement basically to the effect of: "they were preparing to surrender".

    It was interesting in the report that the bomb on Hiroshima had the same effect of about 220 full bomb loads of B-29's. One bomb was clearly demoralizing, although it was interesting in that same report that the opinions of those far outside the bombed cities, it was less impactful on morale.

    I object to Iran getting nuclear weapons based on the statements of their leaders who seem to regularly talk about wiping people off the face of the earth. Generally the Iranians are good people and without the dogma of the religious leaders of that country, I would probably not object.

    Oh, and I referenced Iran most recently in post 589.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Had the report been issued in 1944, then you would have some relevant information to discuss about the decision Truman made in 1945. The document was an interesting read. Did you actually read it or were you just referred to it by others with your hindsight opinion?

    How about an actually relevant document which was the minutes of a meeting that took place on June 18, 1945 to discuss Japan: http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistle...1.pdf#zoom=100.

    Note on page 4, Eisenhower did have his opinion on the idea that "air power alone was not sufficient to put the Japanese out of the war" meaning that an invasion was necessary. The relevant leaders were in the room, except for Arnold who was well represented by Eaker. Eisenhower was not present.

    So you may have disagreed with the decision and even how it was carried out, but it was an attack on military targets (which you stopped saying that it was many posts ago) surrounded by a lot of people and without the benefit of YOUR hindsight, Truman made a decision that he stood by. In my own opinion, Truman dropped 1 atomic bomb, the Japanese leaders dropped the 2nd one by not surrendering sooner. Unconditional Surrender were the terms and they were well known. The same terms were applied to Italy and Germany and you object to those terms with a very weak statement basically to the effect of: "they were preparing to surrender".

    It was interesting in the report that the bomb on Hiroshima had the same effect of about 220 full bomb loads of B-29's. One bomb was clearly demoralizing, although it was interesting in that same report that the opinions of those far outside the bombed cities, it was less impactful on morale.

    I object to Iran getting nuclear weapons based on the statements of their leaders who seem to regularly talk about wiping people off the face of the earth. Generally the Iranians are good people and without the dogma of the religious leaders of that country, I would probably not object.

    Oh, and I referenced Iran most recently in post 589.


    You're an apologist for US atrocity, and you've some company with that. Lol. Of course the Truman library will be defensive of Truman deeds.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?[W:296]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No, even just in a better world. No, I'm not the only rational person, dozens of countries are actively working for nuclear eradication
    All rational nations, governments, and people advocate a nuke free world; which does include the US_

    But only the complete idiots* would throw away their guns with Charles Manson living across the street!

    as well as advocacy groups here and across the world.
    The problem with these "advocacy groups" is that many of them are *complete idiots and others are simply far-left advocates that are more concerned about the best interests of America's enemies_

    The good guys absolutely must maintain a high state of preparedness for every known contingency until all threats to world peace have been permanently neutralized!

    Those "threats" should be defined as: Any person, group, or nation that initiates violence and/or fails to recognize the right of another to exist, be secure in their property, and live in peace!

    And any person, group, or nation that demonstrates such a propensity by either threat or violence, should be denied all future access to or development of military hardware, particularly WMDs!

    And among the worst cases that refuse to comply; some might even forfeit their own right to exist!

    Evil is very easy to detect and should never be tolerated by people who are serious about world peace!
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
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    You're an apologist for US atrocity, and you've some company with that. Lol. Of course the Truman library will be defensive of Truman deeds.

    To the bolded. Good, then you support the work of P5+1!!!
    I'm an apologist for no one. The dropping of a more efficient weapon on a military is a positive result of a very unfortunate situation. You yourself are an apologist for Japanese atrocities which far outnumber anything the U.S. did by dropping two bombs (one of which was easily avoided by the Japanese if they had only agreed to the surrender terms) by accusing FDR of provoking Japan to attack the US.

    I regret the U.S. was put into this position but I support Truman's difficult decision. And if you are going to impugn Truman's documents, then don't be disingenuous by quoting those documents when you are able to pluck out a quote you agree with.

    Japan has become a respected member of the world community in part because of the support and encouragement of the U.S. during the post war period. You can sit back in your easy chair shouting atrocity but in the context of the time before 6 August 1945, dropping the bomb was viewed as saving more US lives. 9 August was preventable by the Japanese--even you haven't disputed that.

    And when I choose to support or disagree with something, you will have MY words stating that fact.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?[W:296]

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    All rational nations, governments, and people advocate a nuke free world; which does include the US_

    But only the complete idiots* would throw away their guns with Charles Manson living across the street!

    The problem with these "advocacy groups" is that many of them are *complete idiots and others are simply far-left advocates that are more concerned about the best interests of America's enemies_


    The good guys absolutely must maintain a high state of preparedness for every known contingency until all threats to world peace have been permanently neutralized!

    Those "threats" should be defined as: Any person, group, or nation that initiates violence and/or fails to recognize the right of another to exist, be secure in their property, and live in peace!

    And any person, group, or nation that demonstrates such a propensity by either threat or violence, should be denied all future access to or development of military hardware, particularly WMDs!

    And among the worst cases that refuse to comply; some might even forfeit their own right to exist!

    Evil is very easy to detect and should never be tolerated by people who are serious about world peace!
    IOW, the nuclear powers keep theirs and nobody else gets any, nice. That's not a nuke free world.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    I'm an apologist for no one. The dropping of a more efficient weapon on a military is a positive result of a very unfortunate situation. You yourself are an apologist for Japanese atrocities which far outnumber anything the U.S. did by dropping two bombs (one of which was easily avoided by the Japanese if they had only agreed to the surrender terms) by accusing FDR of provoking Japan to attack the US.

    I regret the U.S. was put into this position but I support Truman's difficult decision. And if you are going to impugn Truman's documents, then don't be disingenuous by quoting those documents when you are able to pluck out a quote you agree with.

    Japan has become a respected member of the world community in part because of the support and encouragement of the U.S. during the post war period. You can sit back in your easy chair shouting atrocity but in the context of the time before 6 August 1945, dropping the bomb was viewed as saving more US lives. 9 August was preventable by the Japanese--even you haven't disputed that.

    And when I choose to support or disagree with something, you will have MY words stating that fact.
    Justifying the use of nukes, is justifying the use of nukes.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Justifying the use of nukes, is justifying the use of nukes.
    I refer you to the last sentence of the Potsdam Declaration. http://www.ndl.go.jp/constitution/e/etc/c06.html

    This sentence should be have been taken as seriously as the statements by the leaders in Tehran.
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