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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?[W:296]

    To me this is akin to saying that they have the right to threaten the world, until they actually do it. When we are talking nukes, we are on an entirely different scale than conventional weapons. Maybe you could say they have a right to try and get them, but the rest of the world has every right to stop them.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?[W:296]

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Of course all countries have their own self interest. That has been going on for thousands of years and many wars in-between to protect those interest or to advance them. It's really simple, when a country wants to advance their self interest at the expense of others that generates conflicts. Example, take Iran wanting to advance it's self interest by getting nuks, which would only be at the expense of others as they have promised to wipe another nation off the face of the map.
    Funny that you sight as example something that's not yet possible, not likely, and certainly hasn't happened, while ignoring the real examples of atrocities that in fact have been committed by numerous countries including your own.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Sorry, but Gar Alperowitz is no longer regarded as credible. His work has been superseded for decades now, and predates Giangreco by decades. Your next two links also predate Giangreco's work. I can't tell when the ushistory.org link originated, but it does not seem really on point. Finally, the CSIS link is puzzling. The author demonstrates no familiarity at all with Giangreco's work, so I have to conclude he's not to be taken seriously.
    Again, not one source, just the three first on any search. And puzzling are not, the point is the issue isn't settled. You have an author you like, says what you want said, but the point is there is a difference of opinion and interpretation of the facts, . . . as we know them.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Targeting a civilian (non military) social center, and whipping out every last breathing person, plant and animal not once, but twice has been justified by the apologists of US atrocity. Now then anybody can justify anything.
    There is truth to that. We can hold the moral ground on killing civilians when we have wiped so many out so quickly. And make no mistake, it was terror for political gain.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?[W:296]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Funny that you sight as example something that's not yet possible, not likely, and certainly hasn't happened, while ignoring the real examples of atrocities that in fact have been committed by numerous countries including your own.
    Get a grip, it hasn't happened because they don't have the nukes, but they say they will and they will wipe Israel off the map. Now I suspect you don't believe them, nor would you believe they would try and get a suicide bomber from one of their terrorists groups and hand them a nuke suitcase bomb and blow any country off the map it wants, including parts of the US. Like plant a nuke in the middle of Manhattan island and do away with NYC. Suicide bombers don't give a ****.

    No I got it all wrong you support Iran and the Islamic radicals. Now tell me what radical Islamic nation are you from?
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Again, not one source, just the three first on any search. And puzzling are not, the point is the issue isn't settled. You have an author you like, says what you want said, but the point is there is a difference of opinion and interpretation of the facts, . . . as we know them.
    I'm not making myself clear. Giangreco's account is not just an opinion, but the use of sources previously unknown or overlooked. His work marks a breakthrough to a new level of understanding.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?[W:296]

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I heard someone make the argument that Obama doesn't believe the US has any rightful role in preventing or hindering Iran from developing and maintaining nuclear weapons. I don't know that that's true, and nobody but the President can answer to what he believes, so I'll ask what you believe. If Iran has the ability, does it have the "right" to nuclear weapons? (By "right", I mean the U.S. and other nations would not be unjustified in trying to prevent it.)

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?[W:296]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    So you're selfish and self-centered.
    Well, I've had a couple girlfriends say that. They had me all wrong, though.

    Did it ever occur to you that people in those other countries and in other societies feel the same way you do, they only care about advancing the interests of their own countries?
    Yes, I'm sure they do--but that's their problem, not mine. I assume the guy on the other side of the tennis court wants to win, too, just like I do. But my only concern is beating him.

    They see the U.S. as antagonistic to their interests and in many cases, they demonstrably are.
    Now ain't that just too damned bad. If they think they can assert their interests over ours, let them try.

    You're just spouting a bunch of nationalistic, jingoistic BS
    Apparently you see pride in this country as dangerous jingoism, just like your president. It will be a cold day in hell before I ever apologize to anyone for anything about the United States. Anyone who doesn't like that can go chase himself.

    [QUOTE]and pretending that you're right, just because you want to be right.[/QUOTE[

    I would say that is just what you are doing, but I'll leave it to other people to decide.

    And when someone calls you on it, you get mad.
    Apparently you are so used to having people agree with your political views that when someone does not, you take his disagreement as a sign of anger. It seems to me that any anger here is yours. It reminds me of our pouty president recently, pitching his hissy fit because Mr. Netanyahu dared to displease him. If you don't like getting tagged, don't get in the ring.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Targeting a civilian (non military) social center, and whipping out every last breathing person, plant and animal not once, but twice has been justified by the apologists of US atrocity. Now then anybody can justify anything.
    Tarring the United States for the atomic bombings of Japan was an old staple in the Soviet propaganda arsenal. Apparently it's still popular with Americans who loathe their country.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?[W:296]

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Get a grip, it hasn't happened because they don't have the nukes, but they say they will and they will wipe Israel off the map. Now I suspect you don't believe them, nor would you believe they would try and get a suicide bomber from one of their terrorists groups and hand them a nuke suitcase bomb and blow any country off the map it wants, including parts of the US. Like plant a nuke in the middle of Manhattan island and do away with NYC. Suicide bombers don't give a ****.

    No I got it all wrong you support Iran and the Islamic radicals. Now tell me what radical Islamic nation are you from?
    Again, stop worrying about what hasn't happened, and what's not likely to happen, and start concentrating on preventing what actually has happened, from happening again!!
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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