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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?[W:296]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    There was never any doubt that Britain would enter the war on the side of France and Russia.
    And as you can see here, even when France knew she was about to be invaded by the Germans, the French were very worried that the English would not join in the fight against Germany:

    Following their refusal to remain neutral in a war between Germany and Russia, French leaders knew it was only a matter of time before Germany declared war on France too. Now it was all-important to get Britain to take their side, as promised (informally) in military staff talks and slightly less ambiguous Anglo-French Naval Convention. But many members of the British cabinet were unaware of these secret agreements and understandably reluctant to embroil Britain in a cataclysmic continental war.

    On hearing word of the German invasion of neutral Luxembourg, whose neutrality was agreed in the Treaty of London of 1867, the French ambassador to London, Paul Cambon, asked Foreign Secretary Edward Grey whether Britain would fight. However Grey pointed out that, unlike the 1838 treaty guaranteeing Belgian neutrality, the 1867 treaty didn’t technically oblige Britain to take military action to protect to Luxembourg’s neutrality, if the other Great Powers weren’t also intervening. Cambon could barely contain his anger at this slippery reasoning, according to H. Wickham Steed, the foreign editor of The Times, who recalled, “he pointed to a copy of the Luxemburg Treaty… and exclaimed bitterly: ‘There is the signature of England… I do not know whether this evening the word “honor” will not have to be struck out of the British vocabulary.’”

    But Grey was merely representing the views of the British cabinet; personally, he had staked everything on British intervention, threatening to resign if the cabinet insisted on neutrality and working with First Lord of the Admiralty Winston Churchill to drum up support from the opposition Unionists. Unionist support gave Grey and Prime Minister Asquith crucial political leverage, as they might be able to form a new coalition government without the anti-interventionists.

    On August 2, Asquith went into the 11am cabinet meeting with a letter pledging Unionist support, and now the tide began to turn: although a handful of ministers resigned in protest, the rest of the cabinet agreed to at least protect the French coastline from German naval attacks, as promised in the naval convention of 1912. However, the deciding factor would be Germany’s violation of Belgian neutrality.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?[W:296]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The Saudis are deeply distrustful of the current negotiations and they don't care at all about the views of their Shia population.
    It doesn't matter whether they are distrustful of negotiations, and it doesn't matter about what they think of their Shi'a population. What does matter to them is keeping the peace within their kingdom.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?[W:296]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Please do not speak for others. The Iranians will not have delivery systems capable of threatening the US for a long time. Israel and Saudi Arabia would come under threat immediately.
    Yes, they do have a delivery system. It's called a "yacht" or a "ship".

    That's my personal fear - that they'll put one on board some rich-looking yacht and sail it up the Hudson.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?[W:296]

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    It doesn't matter whether we do or don't think that the Iranians have a right to nuclear weapons. What DOES matter is that THEY - the Iranians - believe they have a right to build their own nuclear weapons. Now with skillful use of diplomacy and deal-making, we can stop it from happening. But if we allow the Neanderthal Right (both here in America and in Israel) to run things, they'll just say "If you make them, we will bomb you"...which means all the more that the Iranians WILL make them.

    That's what's so stupid about the Right - they raise hell at the very thought of someone telling them something they don't want to hear, but they pretend that the {Insert Name of Enemy Here} will meekly say, "Okay, you're threatening to bomb us, so we'll do what you are telling us to do." It's as if in the Right's view, any 'diplomacy' that does not include bombers in the air waiting to rain destruction down on the other guy is automatically the modern-day equivalent of Chamberlain's "appeasement".
    This is all pretty much the standard far-left propaganda which is regularly repeated by gullible liberal pawns that accept it as reality!
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    Let's pause for just a moment and completely forget about preventing Iran from getting the bomb_

    Now tell us how you believe being a nuclear power would effect Iran and what would be the consequences; if any?

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    You said in post #346: "Nukes don't exist in my world"

    There you go.
    You don't understand that phrase!!!
    I think I do Monty; unfortunately your wording suggested that you credit yourself as being the only rational person in the world_

    Rather than; "nukes don't exist in my world" a more suitable and accurate statement would be; "nukes don't exist in a perfect world"_

    I can positively assure you that the great majority of the human race shares your desire for a Nuke Free World Monty!
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?[W:296]

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Yes, they do have a delivery system. It's called a "yacht" or a "ship".

    That's my personal fear - that they'll put one on board some rich-looking yacht and sail it up the Hudson.
    That's like something out of a Steven Seagal movie. Do you know how hard that would be to do?
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?[W:296]

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    I never head that before, but it is our countries right to secure the safety of this nation. Now Iran can think they have the right to do anything they want, wake up Iran so do we have that right.



    That is what a powerful nation can do, strength through power. Iran wants more power by having nuks, it's all about power and the threat of using it. This is nothing new, it has been going on for thousands of years. Now the liberal point of view is to let Iran have whatever the **** it wants, be damned our security interest or our allies. We have the right to not do business with Iran, we have the right to get all our allies to not do business with them, no banking, no buying oil etc etc. We have the right to make their life miserable without ever firing one shot. That is what strength does. But to a liberal dead US bodies jumping out of the 50th floor to their death rather than burn to death is all because it was our fault 9-11 happened. What ****ing BS. Liberals say please don't do that. All the while ISIS is going around burning people and cutting heads off and turning kids into slaves etc. And all it would take is for Iran to call up one dumb ass suicide bomber but not a bomb this time but a nuke and set it off in the middle of Manhattan and flatten all of NY City. All because you want to be nice. No matter how sweet you want to be they want to cut your head off and will commit suicide if need be to do it.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?[W:296]

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Yes, they do have a delivery system. It's called a "yacht" or a "ship".

    That's my personal fear - that they'll put one on board some rich-looking yacht and sail it up the Hudson.
    Or a shipping container, buried under a stack of others on a dock.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Sorry, but among historians it has become the definitive view. And the point is that the bombs were necessary to preclude evil.
    Fighting evil with evil= righteous.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?[W:296]

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    This is all pretty much the standard far-left propaganda which is regularly repeated by gullible liberal pawns that accept it as reality!
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    Let's pause for just a moment and completely forget about preventing Iran from getting the bomb_

    Now tell us how you believe being a nuclear power would effect Iran and what would be the consequences; if any?

    I think I do Monty; unfortunately your wording suggested that you credit yourself as being the only rational person in the world_

    Rather than; "nukes don't exist in my world" a more suitable and accurate statement would be; "nukes don't exist in a perfect world"_

    I can positively assure you that the great majority of the human race shares your desire for a Nuke Free World Monty!
    No, even just in a better world. No, I'm not the only rational person, dozens of countries are actively working for nuclear eradication as well as advocacy groups here and across the world.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?[W:296]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    There was never any doubt that Britain would enter the war on the side of France and Russia.
    Sure, because there were only two sides and France and Russia weren't dropping bombs on London.
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