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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?[W:296]

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    It doesn't matter whether we do or don't think that the Iranians have a right to nuclear weapons. What DOES matter is that THEY - the Iranians - believe they have a right to build their own nuclear weapons. Now with skillful use of diplomacy and deal-making, we can stop it from happening. But if we allow the Neanderthal Right (both here in America and in Israel) to run things, they'll just say "If you make them, we will bomb you"...which means all the more that the Iranians WILL make them.

    That's what's so stupid about the Right - they raise hell at the very thought of someone telling them something they don't want to hear, but they pretend that the {Insert Name of Enemy Here} will meekly say, "Okay, you're threatening to bomb us, so we'll do what you are telling us to do." It's as if in the Right's view, any 'diplomacy' that does not include bombers in the air waiting to rain destruction down on the other guy is automatically the modern-day equivalent of Chamberlain's "appeasement".
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?[W:296]

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    It doesn't matter whether we do or don't think that the Iranians have a right to nuclear weapons. What DOES matter is that THEY - the Iranians - believe they have a right to build their own nuclear weapons. Now with skillful use of diplomacy and deal-making, we can stop it from happening. But if we allow the Neanderthal Right (both here in America and in Israel) to run things, they'll just say "If you make them, we will bomb you"...which means all the more that the Iranians WILL make them.
    I never head that before, but it is our countries right to secure the safety of this nation. Now Iran can think they have the right to do anything they want, wake up Iran so do we have that right.

    That's what's so stupid about the Right - they raise hell at the very thought of someone telling them something they don't want to hear, but they pretend that the {Insert Name of Enemy Here} will meekly say, "Okay, you're threatening to bomb us, so we'll do what you are telling us to do." It's as if in the Right's view, any 'diplomacy' that does not include bombers in the air waiting to rain destruction down on the other guy is automatically the modern-day equivalent of Chamberlain's "appeasement".
    That is what a powerful nation can do, strength through power. Iran wants more power by having nuks, it's all about power and the threat of using it. This is nothing new, it has been going on for thousands of years. Now the liberal point of view is to let Iran have whatever the **** it wants, be damned our security interest or our allies. We have the right to not do business with Iran, we have the right to get all our allies to not do business with them, no banking, no buying oil etc etc. We have the right to make their life miserable without ever firing one shot. That is what strength does. But to a liberal dead US bodies jumping out of the 50th floor to their death rather than burn to death is all because it was our fault 9-11 happened. What ****ing BS. Liberals say please don't do that. All the while ISIS is going around burning people and cutting heads off and turning kids into slaves etc. And all it would take is for Iran to call up one dumb ass suicide bomber but not a bomb this time but a nuke and set it off in the middle of Manhattan and flatten all of NY City. All because you want to be nice. No matter how sweet you want to be they want to cut your head off and will commit suicide if need be to do it.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yes. In order to be legitimately accused of building nuclear weapons, they must be building nuclear weapons. If you buy into the late argument of pre-emptive war because somebody may do something someday, you have a precarious perch.
    Im not buying into anything, Dude.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Nobody has a right to nukes... they can get them or we can stop them. It is about what we can do to stop them and what they can do to stop us from stopping them...
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    I don't see Iran's leaders as people that want to die themselves... they don't mind their people dying but they are just smart enough to know that if they used nukes on Israel, for instance, that they would be annihilated.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I don't see Iran's leaders as people that want to die themselves... they don't mind their people dying but they are just smart enough to know that if they used nukes on Israel, for instance, that they would be annihilated.
    Pretty much. I think for Iran it's a matter of deterrence. There was a time where I may have thought that Iran just wanted to destroy Israel. However, that's mostly rhetoric. If Iran wanted, it could have started funding ISIL and encouraged them to move towards Israel. Instead, it's realized that their own control over the country is at stake if ISIL gains anymore ground.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Only under laws *WE* deem valid. If they act entirely under their own rules and laws and we don't like those rules and laws, we ignore them entirely. We pretend that because we have a big stick, we get to dictate what is acceptable.
    And WE deem the NPT valid.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Actually, the two nuclear weapons dropped on Japan were necessary for victory. Dresden was overkill.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Pretty much. I think for Iran it's a matter of deterrence. There was a time where I may have thought that Iran just wanted to destroy Israel. However, that's mostly rhetoric. If Iran wanted, it could have started funding ISIL and encouraged them to move towards Israel. Instead, it's realized that their own control over the country is at stake if ISIL gains anymore ground.
    I used to think that they simply wanted to wipe out Israel as well... and I am sure if it was easier they might try, but the fact is that logistically they are not in a position to really even try and like you said there are easier ways to disrupt/invade Israel.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?[W:296]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The problem is not that critics believe the Iranians will meekly submit, but rather that they will continue to push toward a weapon.

    War with Iran is probably our best option - The Washington Post
    That's just it, Jack - when a hammer's your only tool, everything looks like a nail.

    Time for a quick history lesson. In late July, in England most of the people were still against war with Germany - they felt it was more of a 'continental matter', and they didn't want to get embroiled in a war. But then Germany did something the Brits didn't expect - instead of attacking straight into France, they decided to use the "Schlieffen Plan" to go through Belgium. As a result, the Brits instantly began supporting war against Germany.

    Likewise, if we were to unilaterally begin bombing Iran as the article suggests, we'd almost certainly turn Iraq against us...and perhaps even the Sunni nations might become sympathetic towards Iran. Not only that, then once Iran did get the bomb - and they will, sooner or later (even if they have to buy it from North Korea) - guess who their first target would be? Here's a hint - it would no longer be Tel Aviv or Riyadh.

    I say we use diplomacy (which is, of course, the velvet glove that covers the mail'd fist) to try to get them to not develop nuclear weapons. And if (when) they do, that would drive the Sunni nations even further into our camp. It's a heck of a lot easier to conduct warfare from a nation where the regime really does want you there, y'know?
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