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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Because we believe in rule of law, and a rational debate.
    Seriously? The U.S. has a long track record of deposing governments we don't like, funding coups and terrorists, setting up puppet governments etc. Rule of law my ass.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    If as an example, disproportionate killing of civilians (say, such as the US Predator Drone Program does) is a violation of international law. Do you think US law should supersede that. And if US law and constitution nullifies international law when they conflict, then why couldn't other nations claim the same. Why couldn't Hussein tell the UN to take a hike, that they're resolve conflicts with Iraqi law? Simply because they hadn't the economic and military strength to oppose those countries which would enforce the resolutions. IOW, international law has to be followed, or it doesn't. The US can deny the authority of the ICC. Who's going force the US in front of that judicial body??
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Our national security trumps all laws no matter what. Period
    Fine. Just remember that when Russia or China or Iran claim the same.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Fine. Just remember that when Russia or China or Iran claim the same.
    Oh, but we're special!
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Seriously? The U.S. has a long track record of deposing governments we don't like, funding coups and terrorists, setting up puppet governments etc. Rule of law my ass.
    I said WE as in the US. If a country makes a rational argument and acts in a legal manner, we will give them more lattitude than if they say one thing and do another.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Fine. Just remember that when Russia or China or Iran claim the same.
    Sure that is why the UN is useless and why we try and build allies, although Obama has cut many of our allies.

    Lets take Iran wanting a nuke, we as a nation can kill their economy which is our right in an attempt to stop them from getting a nuke. This is nothing new, power struggles have been going on for thousands of years.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    They always apply. Not have the moral core to abide by your moral convictions is not the same as them not applying. And no, the outcome of a war is not dependent on committing atrocities. We did not have to bomb Dresden to win, we did not have to drop two nukes to win, we did not have to torture to win, it's a false premise that because something happened that we had no choice but to do it. There are choices.
    Actually, the two nuclear weapons dropped on Japan were necessary for victory. Dresden was overkill.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    I said WE as in the US. If a country makes a rational argument and acts in a legal manner, we will give them more lattitude than if they say one thing and do another.
    Only under laws *WE* deem valid. If they act entirely under their own rules and laws and we don't like those rules and laws, we ignore them entirely. We pretend that because we have a big stick, we get to dictate what is acceptable.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Ok. I'll have to take this up with you somewhere else another time. There's been a thread warning. My position on Iran if it interests you, is that they have only the rights that they can force.
    Which is entirely dependent upon where the world draws the line_

    Now we must ask ourselves: Do we want the world to draw that line???

    Nukes don't exist in my world, but probably more and more countries will have them.
    Unfortunately; your world does not exist in the real world_

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    Which is entirely dependent upon where the world draws the line_

    Now we must ask ourselves: Do we want the world to draw that line???

    Unfortunately; your world does not exist in the real world_

    "As a child, I believed as a child__As an adult, I put away those childish beliefs"

    Simply wishing for something has never been a very effective solution Monty!
    Who's the world?

    I don't need you quoting scripture to me, I don't recognize its authority.

    Do you prefer a world with or without nuclear weapons.
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