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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    No. Other than shouting about nuclear weapons' immorality, how would you persuade the current nuclear weapons states to give them up?
    Nukes - I am more concerned about weaponized viruses, like that dumb ass did and if I recall correctly, in the lab with the bird flu. Bit of playing with genetic code, inserting some, deleting others, bango, a high mortality, airborne virus.
    Easier to make, easier to hide, easier to drop off in various countries.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    The same way the START treaties have... Which used morality as one of the main points...
    START was in both sides' interest and was achieved via hard bargaining.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Sorry, but your personal convictions, no matter how sincere, have no effect on the rights of nations.
    Neither do your personal convictions, no matter how sincere, show that these rights actually exist.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Nukes - I am more concerned about weaponized viruses, like that dumb ass did and if I recall correctly, in the lab with the bird flu. Bit of playing with genetic code, inserting some, deleting others, bango, a high mortality, airborne virus.
    Easier to make, easier to hide, easier to drop off in various countries.
    Certainly a terrible threat, but I'm not sure it will provoke serious counter efforts until someone lets the genie out of the bottle. Human nature is that we learn best by experience.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Neither do your personal convictions, no matter how sincere, show that these rights actually exist.
    The rights of nations are enshrined in treaties and international law.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The rights of nations are enshrined in treaties and international law.
    Which are only true so long as those treaties and laws stand. They're not rights, they're rules come up with by nations. That doesn't make them correct.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Which are only true so long as those treaties and laws stand. They're not rights, they're rules come up with by nations. That doesn't make them correct.
    Indeed

    Treaties are not forever and nations can withdraw from the treaty with the same ease with which they ratified it in the past

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Which are only true so long as those treaties and laws stand. They're not rights, they're rules come up with by nations. That doesn't make them correct.
    No rights are ever "correct." All rights are the product of agreements among men. The rights of nations under international law have the same pedigree as individual rights.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    START was in both sides' interest and was achieved via hard bargaining.
    Yes it was. Why not move forward with it even more? You do know Gorby wanted to get rid of nuclear weapons completely?
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yes it was. Why not move forward with it even more? You do know Gorby wanted to get rid of nuclear weapons completely?
    It was actually Reagan who proposed that. Gorbachev balked.
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