Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?[W:296, 650]

**matchlight** · 03-14-15, 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by Montecresto

Yes, with few exceptions the right will seek to trivialize and justify targeting innocent civilians while condemning others and ever pushing for the next war.

It's only a pity publications like the Daily Worker and Soviet Life are no longer with us. They could have used your ability to cook up anti-American propaganda. With few exceptions the left will seek to spread falsehoods such as the one that people whose political views they differ with usually seek to justify war crimes like targeting civilians. You've made very clear you loathe the United States and do not wish it well--but then, that gives you something in common with your Red president.

**FreedomFromAll** · 03-14-15, 09:31 PM

Iran does not have the right to own nukes because powerful countries said so. How many kids get to dictate what adults can do? I can make many decisions legally that kids of no right to make. Iran through its own behavior took their own right away to possess nukes.

And what gives the rest of the world the right to make such decisions? Simply because we can.

**Empirica** · 03-14-15, 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by Montecresto

Yes, with few exceptions the right will seek to trivialize and justify targeting innocent civilians while condemning others and ever pushing for the next war.

Not so Monty; I didn't "trivialize" anything but I did "justify" saving American and Allied lives_

I simply stated the cold hard facts of reality pertaining to the struggle between good vs evil, involving millions of lives_

Or maybe you believe Adolf Hitler and Emperor Hirohito were the good guys and the bad ole Americans were the evil?!

**Jack Hays** · 03-14-15, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by Montecresto

Post 296

Thanks.

**Montecresto** · 03-14-15, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by matchlight

It's only a pity publications like the Daily Worker and Soviet Life are no longer with us. They could have used your ability to cook up anti-American propaganda. With few exceptions the left will seek to spread falsehoods such as the one that people whose political views they differ with usually seek to justify war crimes like targeting civilians. You've made very clear you loathe the United States and do not wish it well--but then, that gives you something in common with your Red president.

I thought he was black. You have no respect for liberty if you seek to suppress dissent, just because it exposes ugly things. Things can be better, and that's very American.

**Montecresto** · 03-14-15, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by Empirica

Not so Monty; I didn't "trivialize" anything but I did "justify" saving American and Allied lives_

I simply stated the cold hard facts of reality pertaining to the struggle between good vs evil, involving millions of lives_

Or maybe you believe Adolf Hitler and Emperor Hirohito were the good guys and the bad ole Americans were the evil?!

Ok. I'll have to take this up with you somewhere else another time. There's been a thread warning. My position on Iran if it interests you, is that they have only the rights that they can force. Nukes don't exist in my world, but probably more and more countries will have them.

**Montecresto** · 03-14-15, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll

Iran does not have the right to own nukes because powerful countries said so. How many kids get to dictate what adults can do? I can make many decisions legally that kids of no right to make. Iran through its own behavior took their own right away to possess nukes.

And what gives the rest of the world the right to make such decisions? Simply because we can.

Yep, that's changing though, and Iran will probably have nukes if they ever decide they want them.

**matchlight** · 03-15-15, 12:27 AM

Originally Posted by Montecresto

I thought he was black. You have no respect for liberty if you seek to suppress dissent, just because it exposes ugly things. Things can be better, and that's very American.

You should know that no poster here has authority to suppress anything any other poster says, even if he were to want to. And as a true liberal, suppressing dissent--or civil debate of any kind--is the last thing I would want. I hope you will continue to make your low opinion of your country clear to everyone reading these forums. And I will continue to say what I think of that low opinion when you express it, as, for example, when you slander people whose political views you disagree with as advocates of war crimes like the intentional targeting of civilians.

**Montecresto** · 03-15-15, 12:52 AM

Originally Posted by matchlight

You should know that no poster here has authority to suppress anything any other poster says, even if he were to want to. And as a true liberal, suppressing dissent--or civil debate of any kind--is the last thing I would want. I hope you will continue to make your low opinion of your country clear to everyone reading these forums. And I will continue to say what I think of that low opinion when you express it, as, for example, when you slander people whose political views you disagree with as advocates of war crimes like the intentional targeting of civilians.

No. Not literal power, of course not. But have you missed the topic warning? To Iran and nukes, they probably end up with them, if they ever decide that they want them.

**matchlight** · 03-15-15, 01:41 AM

I do not believe any foreseeable government of Israel will allow Iran to get the bomb. Whether Israel takes military action or the United States does depends on how Iran proceeds. I am very sure President Limpwrist will never bomb Iran's nuclear weapons facilities, but in less than two years we may well have a president who would. One danger that is seldom discussed is that an Israeli attack might need to include nuclear weapons. It's far from clear that 5,000 lb. bombs, which are the largest conventional ones Israel could deliver, would make sure of the deeply buried centrifuge gallery at Fordoz. Of course Israel could confine an attack to, say, four other facilities that are very important to Iran's program, but destroying them might not cripple the weapons program for too long.

A lot of silly things have been written about how difficult and dangerous bombing Iran's nuclear weapons facilities would be, how we don't know where they are, and so on. That is somewhat true of an Israeli strike--with their smaller forces, it would be very difficult and uncertain, and it would certainly be limited to only the few most important targets. But as applied to this country's military, the recitals of all sorts of supposedly unimaginable difficulties and supposedly unthinkable risks sound to me like the excuses of alarmists and hand-wringers for doing nothing. The U.S. has the aircraft and the weapons to destroy every significant facility in not only Iran's nuclear program, but also its ballistic missile program and its air defense system, and to do the lion's share of all this in one fell swoop, and without any great risk to our servicemen.

And no matter how badly the regime in Tehran might want to retaliate, it does not have much capacity to do it. To deter them from trying, they might also be put on notice that any attempt at retaliation would be answered with still more attacks on all sorts of other military targets. They might not dare do anything, because they know very well that once Iran had lost its ability to defend its airspace, every bridge, tank, cannon, barracks, naval base, fuel depot, communications center, ammunition dump, etc. in it would be a sitting duck for bombers. That regime could not survive too much humiliation--the power of tyrants depends a lot on their prestige.

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