Thread: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?[W:296, 650]

Originally Posted by Jack Hays

Take the last first: yes.

No matter how many farfetched hypotheticals you concoct, you can't get away from the fact that in 1945, in the circumstances actually prevailing, use of the bombs saved lives.

Jack........did you see the in thread warning?? I'm well versed in your views on the use of nuclear weapons on Japan!

Originally Posted by Montecresto

Jack........did you see the in thread warning?? I'm well versed in your views on the use of nuclear weapons on Japan!

I saw no warning.

Originally Posted by Jack Hays

I saw no warning.

Post 296

Originally Posted by MildSteel

Well might definitely determines what rights a nation can exercise as a practical matter. That said, honestly, I am not so sure who determines the LEGITIMATE rights in a practical sense. That is part of the problem. Therefore, as you have indicated, it ends up being a matter of might makes right.

Yes, that's it. And because men aren't angels, this will always be the case. And.............someone will always be the dominant and as a result will oppress others. The US happens to be the dominant one at present, and we all know the histories of predecessors. I don't know if all world powers March forward with their citizens brainwashed that they are the righteous ones, justifying all manner of atrocity and exploitation, or whether that's unique to America. But it's a bleak situation.

Originally Posted by MildSteel

Indeed. Furthermore all of the major world powers brainwash their citizens in this way.

Probably so. And the predatory "us verses them" mentality is institutionalized from cradle to grave in everything from sports to religion. And, it works, really well.

Originally Posted by Robert in Ohio

Who has made that divine decree*?

It's pretty much the sentiments of most of the industrialized world; with the exceptions of Russia, China and North Korea_

ie; Only those who view the United States as their adversary appear to believe that a nuclear capable Iran is not a threat_

(*god usually has a policy of nonintervention and to the best of my knowledge hasn't decreed anything pertaining to nukes)

Originally Posted by Montecresto

If by deeds,

By "deeds"; I was referring to Iran's contributions to global terrorism, murder, and human rights violations_

then the only power to have used nukes on civilian targets has forfeited its "rights"!

You should read your history books before posting a ridiculous argument such as this one Monty!

The Hiroshima/Nagasaki death toll was minuscule compared to the estimated U.S. casualties those 2 small nukes averted_

And after Japan's surrender and later its sovereignty restored by the U.S. it became an economic success in the world market_

The nuclear equipped nations of Western Civilization have more than demonstrated a lack of desire for world domination_

The only 20th/21st Century nations to have demonstrated such a desire have been Islamic and Socialist/Communist nations_

Originally Posted by Empirica

It's pretty much the sentiments of most of the industrialized world; with the exceptions of Russia, China and North Korea_

ie; Only those who view the United States as their adversary appear to believe that a nuclear capable Iran is not a threat_

(*god usually has a policy of nonintervention and to the best of my knowledge hasn't decreed anything pertaining to nukes)

By "deeds"; I was referring to Iran's contributions to global terrorism, murder, and human rights violations_

You should read your history books before posting a ridiculous argument such as this one Monty!

The Hiroshima/Nagasaki death toll was minuscule compared to the estimated U.S. casualties those 2 small nukes averted_

And after Japan's surrender and later its sovereignty restored by the U.S. it became an economic success in the world market_

The nuclear equipped nations of Western Civilization have more than demonstrated a lack of desire for world domination_

The only 20th/21st Century nations to have demonstrated such a desire have been Islamic and Socialist/Communist nations_

Yes, with few exceptions the right will seek to trivialize and justify targeting innocent civilians while condemning others and ever pushing for the next war.