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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Which would have been the emperor of Japan's famous last words had he developed the bomb first, and then deployed them at Fullerton and Glendale CA.
    His was the cause of tyranny. No equivalence.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yes, the right still exists even though external forces are suppressing it.
    I suppose a right could exist although it was being suppressed. So who do you think determines what rights a nation legitimately has?

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It's argued by some historians. Other historians argue differently.
    Giangreco's account is now accepted as definitive.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    His was the cause of tyranny. No equivalence.
    It doesn't matter what you think, or what's actually the truth. It's what would have been declared, and it's what most Japanese would have argued for the past 70 years, and been used to justify the atrocity. That's how it works................Jack.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It doesn't matter what you think, or what's actually the truth. It's what would have been declared, and it's what most Japanese would have argued for the past 70 years, and been used to justify the atrocity. That's how it works................Jack.
    No Japanese nuclear attack on two cities in the US could have tipped the war in Japan's favor.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Giangreco's account is now accepted as definitive.
    Sorry, but no it's not. Not by everyone. Americans who have accepted responsibility for the immoral act, have rejected his argument. Warmongers, hawks, apologists and those that will hate a neighbor, cheat a friend, and justify it in the end, sure, they're clinging to it like a life jacket.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    No Japanese nuclear attack on two cities in the US could have tipped the war in Japan's favor.
    However many civilian targets needed to be struck to accomplish their goal would have been justified, is the point. As a matter of fact, who ever uses one next, will be justifying it. Btw, I don't recall you commenting, or I missed it if you did, does Iran have a right to nuclear weapons?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I suppose a right could exist although it was being suppressed. So who do you think determines what rights a nation legitimately has?
    I'm thinking unfortunately that might makes right. For example, no nation could stop the US from acquiring them or compel the US to rid themselves of them.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Sorry, but no it's not. Not by everyone. Americans who have accepted responsibility for the immoral act, have rejected his argument. Warmongers, hawks, apologists and those that will hate a neighbor, cheat a friend, and justify it in the end, sure, they're clinging to it like a life jacket.
    Please cite a historian who has taken issue with his account.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    However many civilian targets needed to be struck to accomplish their goal would have been justified, is the point. As a matter of fact, who ever uses one next, will be justifying it. Btw, I don't recall you commenting, or I missed it if you did, does Iran have a right to nuclear weapons?
    Take the last first: yes.

    No matter how many farfetched hypotheticals you concoct, you can't get away from the fact that in 1945, in the circumstances actually prevailing, use of the bombs saved lives.
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