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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert in Ohio View Post
    And took or ruined hundreds of thousands of lives as well
    War compels cruel choices. The morally preferable path was chosen.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    War with Iran is probably
    our best option


    our best option"> Joshua Muravchik
    It may be the only way to block Iran from gaining nuclear weapons.

    Joshua Muravchik is a fellow at the Foreign Policy Institute of Johns Hopkins University’s School of Advanced International Studies.

    The logical flaw in the indictment of a looming “very bad” nuclear deal with Iran that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu delivered before Congress this month was his claim that we could secure a “good deal” by calling Iran’s bluff and imposing tougher sanctions. The Iranian regime that Netanyahu described so vividly — violent, rapacious, devious and redolent with hatred for Israel and the United States — is bound to continue its quest for nuclear weapons by refusing any “good deal” or by cheating.
    This gives force to the Obama administration’s taunting rejoinder: What is Netanyahu’s alternative? War? But the administration’s position also contains a glaring contradiction. National security adviser Susan Rice declared at an American Israel Public Affairs Committee conference before Netanyahu’s speech that “a bad deal is worse than no deal.” So if Iran will accept only a “bad deal,” what is President Obama’s alternative? War?
    Obama’s stance implies that we have no choice but to accept Iran’s best offer — whatever is, to use Rice’s term, “achievable” — because the alternative is unthinkable.
    But should it be? What if force is the only way to block Iran from gaining nuclear weapons? That, in fact, is probably the reality. Ideology is the raison d’etre of Iran’s regime, legitimating its rule and inspiring its leaders and their supporters. In this sense, it is akin to communist, fascist and Nazi regimes that set out to transform the world. Iran aims to carry its Islamic revolution across the Middle East and beyond. A nuclear arsenal, even if it is only brandished, would vastly enhance Iran’s power to achieve that goal. . . .
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    We have a Constitutionally-mandated secular government and a society where the vast majority of people live almost entirely secular lives. In Iran, people follow religious dictates 24/7, here, most people might spend an hour a week in church and then not do anything religious for the rest of the week.
    Our constitution has to this point failed to protect us from "RFRA"s and numerous other anti gay laws. In and of itself, it means nothing if courts won't enforce it, due to popular mandate. Even Jefferson, who coined "separation of church and state", favored castration for same sex acts and virginia passed death sentences well after the constitution was ratified - much like a muslim state

    We may have a secular government technically, but it is not only secularists who have protected gay couples from prosecution in most states since 1980. Further proof lies in countries in western europe/scandinavia, where there is no separation of church and state, and yet they have been far ahead in gay rights


    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    How is it failing to appreciate the progress that has been made? We have a secular society. That is progress. However, it hasn't been progress from within Christianity, it's been something that has been imposed on them from without. They didn't choose to moderate themselves, they were forced into submission. Islam hasn't had that happen yet. It's still acting exactly the same way that Christianity acted in the 1600s and will continue to do so until secularism puts it under control.
    It's been both activism and a reduction in anti gay sentiment among theists, who are still the majority

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I guess the question is does someone have a right if they cannot exercise it.
    Yes, the right still exists even though external forces are suppressing it.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Why? That use saved millions of lives.
    That's a hypothetical, worn out explanation that attempts to legitimize targeting innocent civilians.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That's a hypothetical, worn out explanation that attempts to legitimize targeting innocent civilians.
    Hardly worn out since it is supported by the evidence.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    War compels cruel choices. The morally preferable path was chosen.
    Which would have been the emperor of Japan's famous last words had he developed the bomb first, and then deployed them at Fullerton and Glendale CA.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    They have the right if the big countries (US, Russia, China) say they have the right.

    If the big countries say they don't have a right, then they don't.

    Such is the world's pecking order and functioning.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Hardly worn out since it is supported by the evidence.
    It's argued by some historians. Other historians argue differently.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    They have the right if the big countries (US, Russia, China) say they have the right.

    If the big countries say they don't have a right, then they don't.

    Such is the world's pecking order and functioning.
    Yes. But we don't publicly declare such things.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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