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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    So iran, where 80% or more of the population wants shar'ia law, where gays are thrown off buildings while crowds watch, is the same as the modern christian world. Is that why all 7 countries that officially execute for homosexuality are muslim, not christian?
    Because Iran doesn't have a secular society like the U.S. does. It's the society that allows religious extremism to run rampant. Secular society reigns in the Christian insanity here for the most part. There aren't many, perhaps any, non-secular societies where Christianity is on top, although if you go back into history, before secular societies were common, Christians did exactly what you describe. Oh, and let's not forget Uganda, where the Christians in charge tried to impose a death penalty for homosexuality.

    About 2/3 of the US is Christian, so it's not the 1/3 who are secular who prevent atrocities. Roughly 70% of the country thinks gay relationships should be legal. That's not nearly high enough, but executions? Probably more like 10-15%, the same fringe of radicals who think AIDS is divine justice. Unlike in iran though, i'm confident their numbers will continue to dwindle
    We have a Constitutionally-mandated secular government and a society where the vast majority of people live almost entirely secular lives. In Iran, people follow religious dictates 24/7, here, most people might spend an hour a week in church and then not do anything religious for the rest of the week.

    From the federal "general social survey," you can see that the generational gap is as big a predictor of support for gay rights as religious affiliation. Yes, half of americans want a state religion, but what that entails is far diff from shar'ia law
    The gender gap is what will eventually kill religion in America, the most religious are aging, the majority of people who are regular church goers are over 70 and will soon die off. More than half of people under the age of 18 are either non-religious or barely religious. Almost every organized religion in America is hemorrhaging members like mad. It won't be long now.

    Comparing ISIS to 1600s Christianity or 2015 uganda is one thing, but what you're doing just makes atheists look delusional. You fail to appreciate or even acknowledge the progress that has been made.
    How is it failing to appreciate the progress that has been made? We have a secular society. That is progress. However, it hasn't been progress from within Christianity, it's been something that has been imposed on them from without. They didn't choose to moderate themselves, they were forced into submission. Islam hasn't had that happen yet. It's still acting exactly the same way that Christianity acted in the 1600s and will continue to do so until secularism puts it under control.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    No one HAS to be in the UN. If they dont like the treaty they signed, they can leave it, and its protections.
    Which still won't stop the UN from running their lives. If Iran walked away from the UN, they'd still be up for a stiff fight over getting nukes.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I suspect we would do that if we could be assured others got rid of theirs as well. Elimination of nuclear weapons has been a US goal as far back as Ronald Reagan.
    I expect that you are 100% wrong about that

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert in Ohio View Post
    I expect that you are 100% wrong about that
    Best Reagan Quotes on Nuclear Weapons
    “We seek the total elimination one day of nuclear weapons from the face of the Earth.”
    Ronald Reagan, Inaugural Address, 1985
    “A nuclear war cannot be won and must never be fought. The only value in our two nations possessing nuclear weapons is to make sure they will never be used. But then would it not be better to do away with them entirely?”
    Ronald Reagan, 1984 State of the Union
    “It is my fervent goal and hope…that we will some day no longer have to rely on nuclear weapons to deter aggression and assure world peace. To that end the United States is now engaged in a serious and sustained effort to negotiate major reductions in levels of offensive nuclear weapons with the ultimate goal of eliminating these weapons from the face of the earth.”
    Ronald Reagan, October 20, 1986
    “I can’t believe that this world can go on beyond our generation and on down to succeeding generations with this kind of weapon on both sides poised at each other without someday some fool or some maniac or some accident triggering the kind of war that is the end of the line for all of us. And I just think of what a sigh of relief would go up from everyone on this earth if someday–and this is what I have–my hope, way in the back of my head–is that if we start down the road to reduction, maybe one day in doing that, somebody will say, ‘Why not all the way? Let’s get rid of all these things’.”
    Ronald Reagan, May 16, 1983

    “My central arms control objective has been to reduce substantially, and ultimately to eliminate, nuclear weapons and rid the world of the nuclear threat. The prevention of the spread of nuclear explosives to additional countries is an indispensable part of our efforts to meet this objective. I intend to continue my pursuit of this goal with untiring determination and a profound sense of personal commitment.”
    Ronald Reagan, March 25, 1988 Message to Congress on NPT
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    I guess the question is does someone have a right if they cannot exercise it.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I heard someone make the argument that Obama doesn't believe the US has any rightful role in preventing or hindering Iran from developing and maintaining nuclear weapons. I don't know that that's true, and nobody but the President can answer to what he believes, so I'll ask what you believe. If Iran has the ability, does it have the "right" to nuclear weapons? (By "right", I mean the U.S. and other nations would not be unjustified in trying to prevent it.)

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    By its own words and deeds Iran has forfeited all of its "Rights" beyond the basic necessities of life_

    And should remain so until Iranians' replace their current power structure with one more people friendly_
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    By its own words and deeds Iran has forfeited all of its "Rights" beyond the basic necessities of life_

    And should remain so until Iranians' replace their current power structure with one more people friendly_
    Who has made that divine decree?

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    By its own words and deeds Iran has forfeited all of its "Rights" beyond the basic necessities of life_

    And should remain so until Iranians' replace their current power structure with one more people friendly_
    If by deeds, then the only power to have used nukes on civilian targets has forfeited its "rights"!
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    If by deeds, then the only power to have used nukes on civilian targets has forfeited its "rights"!
    Why? That use saved millions of lives.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Why? That use saved millions of lives.
    And took or ruined hundreds of thousands of lives as well

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