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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Lol, yes they do. Their role as holocaust deniers earned them a special place in history for losing one of the most infamous contract cases in modern history when they tried to deny payment to a holocaust survivor for 'failing to prove that gas chambers existed'. But hey you're right they just have a 'different take' on whether gas chambers existed or not. Oh and I'm very sure you could direct me to groups that flat out deny the holocaust.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    No

    YOU maintain he is wrong. YOU have provided NO proof, as usual.
    Calm down feller, I thought it was clear long ago what I think of your opinion!
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Furthermore it utterly ignores our obligations to the tens of millions suffering under the boot of Japanese rule. At the time the bombs were dropped there were millions of Japanese soldiers deployed across the entirety of the the Pacific Rim, Southern Asia, and East Asia, with vast swathes of China, Korea, Vietnam, Indonesia, the Philippines, and more under their boot.

    At the time of surrender the Japanese had 1.1 million troops in Manchuria between Japanese and Manchurian levy's, 1.6 million troops and militia of the Kwantung Army, another 682,000 in Korean proper, 1.5 million Japanese and Chinese levy's engaged in combat across most of northern and coastal China from Fujian to Peking, some 750,000 troops in Indo-China, 132,000 still launching attacks from the bush in the Philippines on Mindano and Luzon, close to 200,000 troops spread across Indonesia and New Guinea (indeed Japanese troops would inflict casualties here even after the surrender, as they would in Vietnam), another 500,000 troops, garrison levys, and militia in Formosa (Taiwan), and about another 180,000-210,000 scattered across the Pacific.

    Combat operations continued almost until the final hours of the war across all fronts. To give an example, Chinese troops suffered 15,000 casualties in a single engagement in June of 1945 as they attempted to launch an offensive in Hunan, while thousands more were killed from August 1st-August 3rd when Chinese troops took advantage of the Soviet offensive and pushed into Guangxi which just to give you an idea of the scope is at the bottom rim of China.

    Nearly 4,000,000 Indonesians, some 2,000,000-3,000,000 Vietnamese, tens of millions of Chinese, and hundreds of thousands of Allied military and civilian slave laborers died under the brutality of the Japanese boot. There was an obligation to end the war as swiftly as possible.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Why is wiki alternatively accepted, and not?
    Lol, no one's buying it Monty. You've tarred yourself.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Lol, no one's buying it Monty. You've tarred yourself.
    Ok, so this time wiki is acceptable, then I'll hear no complaints for trotting it out. Here's what the institute says about it, this is what they think, not what critics think that claim everybody who criticizes Israeli foreign policy is anti-Semitic.

    "The Institute does not 'deny the Holocaust.' Every responsible scholar of twentieth century history acknowledges the great catastrophe that befell European Jewry during World War II. All the same, the IHR has over the years published detailed books and numerous probing essays that call into question aspects of the orthodox Holocaust extermination story, and highlight specific Holocaust exaggerations and falsehoods."[24] On the IHR website Barbara Kulaszka defends the distinction between denial and revisionism by arguing that considerable revisions have been made over the years by historians.................

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Ok, so this time wiki is acceptable, then I'll hear no complaints for trotting it out. Here's what the institute says about it, this is what they think, not what critics think that claim everybody who criticizes Israeli foreign policy is anti-Semitic.

    "The Institute does not 'deny the Holocaust.' Every responsible scholar of twentieth century history acknowledges the great catastrophe that befell European Jewry during World War II. All the same, the IHR has over the years published detailed books and numerous probing essays that call into question aspects of the orthodox Holocaust extermination story, and highlight specific Holocaust exaggerations and falsehoods."[24] On the IHR website Barbara Kulaszka defends the distinction between denial and revisionism by arguing that considerable revisions have been made over the years by historians.................

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    Just keep digging that hole for yourself. We're all very glad that where you get your crazy from is out in the open now. =)

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Ok, so this time wiki is acceptable, then I'll hear no complaints for trotting it out. Here's what the institute says about it, this is what they think, not what critics think that claim everybody who criticizes Israeli foreign policy is anti-Semitic.

    "The Institute does not 'deny the Holocaust.' Every responsible scholar of twentieth century history acknowledges the great catastrophe that befell European Jewry during World War II. All the same, the IHR has over the years published detailed books and numerous probing essays that call into question aspects of the orthodox Holocaust extermination story, and highlight specific Holocaust exaggerations and falsehoods."[24] On the IHR website Barbara Kulaszka defends the distinction between denial and revisionism by arguing that considerable revisions have been made over the years by historians.................

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    "Look man we don't like, deny the holocaust or anything, but like come on you don't REALLY think there were gas chambers do you?" - IHR and Monty.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    "Look man we don't like, deny the holocaust or anything, but like come on you don't REALLY think there were gas chambers do you?" - IHR and Monty.
    It's dishonest to attribute something to somebody in quotations, that they in fact have not said. I let the institute speak for themselves, you may spoon words into their mouth all you wish. Btw, a majority of Americans stood with Bush on his war in Iraq, I stood with small company. Today, a majority of Americans stand with me. There is a growing consensus in America that the US's projection of power as it has been, has been counter to our true interests. Between that evolution, and the actions of both Russia and China, this is changing.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    For historians Giangreco's work stands as definitive. Could that change in the future? Of course, but unless new evidence comes to light that seems unlikely.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    You're arguing with the forum's representative of the Dark Side regarding the subject of morality.

    Just to let you know how meaningless what you're doing right now really is.
    Understood.
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