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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Really letting your colors show today, eh Monty? The Institute for Historical Review is perhaps the most infamous holocaust denial propaganda outlet in history.
    I'm no holocaust denier. Nor does irh though they have a different take on it. I can direct you towards groups that flat out deny any holocaust if you want.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I'm no holocaust denier. Nor does irh though they have a different take on it. I can direct you towards groups that flat out deny any holocaust if you want.
    "I don't deny the holocaust, I just have a different take on it than history has".

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I'm no holocaust denier. Nor does irh though they have a different take on it. I can direct you towards groups that flat out deny any holocaust if you want.
    Lol, yes they do. Their role as holocaust deniers earned them a special place in history for losing one of the most infamous contract cases in modern history when they tried to deny payment to a holocaust survivor for 'failing to prove that gas chambers existed'. But hey you're right they just have a 'different take' on whether gas chambers existed or not. Oh and I'm very sure you could direct me to groups that flat out deny the holocaust.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    "I don't deny the holocaust, I just have a different take on it than history has".

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    Wtf is your problem dude?? Huh? Do not mix my words, and then bracket them in quotes, hear? Besides, I thought I was your waste of time.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    What more motivation than hate do a people have to kill innocent woman and children, and justify it. One perpetrator mused how he would be prosecuted for war crimes were the US to loose. We know that the victors write the history and make the rules. Enjoy
    LOL. I guess that means it's good to be a victor, rather than a victim.

    As evidenced by so many posts, it's quite obvious the nature of motivation would never be understood or appreciated by some. The millions who were saved by those who did understand are relieved they did, and still do.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Sure it's interesting during the first several times you would listen to him talk about how Russia and Iran and North Korea and Syria and basically every ****ing member of the Axis of Evil got it right over the cruel and barbaric West and their "human right violations", but after a while it just becomes a bloody waste of time and you ask yourself why bother.
    Comedy is best in small doses, I have to agree.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Man would you look at the freaks on the right this morning that can't stand it when an American atrocity is pointed out. We need a fire hose.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    LOL. I guess that means it's good to be a victor, rather than a victim.

    As evidenced by so many posts, it's quite obvious the nature of motivation would never be understood or appreciated by some. The millions who were saved by those who did understand are relieved they did, and still do.
    Yes, in the world view of right wing conservative minds where victim and prey are all that play, indeed.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    As for the atomic bombings the irrefutable fact is that at the time of their usage there was universal support for their usage among the US high command. Any dissent is the result of decades later after the fact rationalization and not part of any documented opinion.

    Their mixed answers came after the war had ended and in the intensity of the early anti-nuclear period and the rise of the Cold War. In other words when legacies was at stake and moral introspection was possible. The easiest thing to do is to quote Robert James Maddox who wrote an authoritative book on the matter in the late 1990's. The link is a 10 page piece detailing the step by step process that went into the decision to drop the bombs:

    ""Another myth that has attained wide attention is that at least several of Truman's top military advisers later informed him that using atomic bombs against Japan would be militarily unnecessary or immoral, or both. There is no persuasive evidence that any of them did so. None of the Joint Chiefs ever made such a claim, although one inventive author has tried to make it appear that Leahy did by braiding together several unrelated passages from the admiral's memoirs.

    Actually, two days after Hiroshima, Truman told aides that Leahy had 'said up to the last that it wouldn't go off.' Neither MacArthur nor Nimitz ever communicated to Truman any change of mind about the need for invasion or expressed reservations about using the bombs. When first informed about their imminent use only days before Hiroshima, MacArthur responded with a lecture on the future of atomic warfare and even after Hiroshima strongly recommended that the invasion go forward.

    Nimitz, from whose jurisdiction the atomic strikes would be launched, was notified in early 1945. 'This sounds fine,' he told the courier, 'but this is only February. Can't we get one sooner?' The best that can be said about Eisenhower's memory is that it had become flawed by the passage of time.
    Notes made by one of Stimson's aides indicate that there was a discussion of atomic bombs, but there is no mention of any protest on Eisenhower's part.

    The Biggest Decision: Why We Had To Drop The Atomic Bomb | American History Lives at American Heritage 1995 Volume 46 Issue 3

    We have minutes and reports from the meeting of the Joint Chiefs and Marshall had in writing the affirmation of MacArthur and Nimitz, while he himself also concurred. While King, Leahey, and others also endorsed the invasion figures recommended by their group and believed an invasion would be a likely and bloody affair, with Leahey recommending an attack on Kyushu as soon as possible.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You've been proven wrong more times than once in this topic that you're utterly ill schooled in. Thanks for playing, again Jack.
    No

    YOU maintain he is wrong. YOU have provided NO proof, as usual.
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