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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I'm sorry to see that your hatred for the U.S. continues to blind you.
    That's your fall back, and weak rebuttal. Not only did Eisenhower know that the use of the nuclear bombs was unnecessary, he saw it as immoral. And Curtis LeMay acknowledged his action in Japan as war crimes, hoping that the US should win so that he might not be prosecuted such. We've had this discussion often enough, and I'm well aware that your hawkish stance disregards that.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I quite agree. No country's leadership has ever been without end. We did indeed use nuclear weapons when they were essential for victory against a tyrannical aggressor. They will be used again by someone else, likely with much less justification.
    What a joke. If one can justify dropping nuclear bombs on civilian targets, entire cities, then anybody will justify anything, and that's what we'll have, bravo.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I suspect the coming century will see much broader possession of nuclear weapons. That's not a moral judgment, just an assessment.
    Yes, that is obvious, despite the fact that such indiscriminate weapons have no legitimacy.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That's your fall back, and weak rebuttal. Not only did Eisenhower know that the use of the nuclear bombs was unnecessary, he saw it as immoral. And Curtis LeMay acknowledged his action in Japan as war crimes, hoping that the US should win so that he might not be prosecuted such. We've had this discussion often enough, and I'm well aware that your hawkish stance disregards that.
    The weapons were essential to win the war, and both Eisenhower and LeMay had their own reasons for their statements. Giangreco's account is definitive.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    What a joke. If one can justify dropping nuclear bombs on civilian targets, entire cities, then anybody will justify anything, and that's what we'll have, bravo.
    The use of nuclear weapons on Hiroshima and Nagasaki was essential to Allied victory.
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The weapons were essential to win the war, and both Eisenhower and LeMay had their own reasons for their statements. Giangreco's account is definitive.
    As you clearly have your reasons for your statements. Eisenhower and LeMay were both involved, you and your buddy weren't even born.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The use of nuclear weapons on Hiroshima and Nagasaki was essential to Allied victory.
    And the day that a nuke is dropped on DC, the victors will be arguing the same thing.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yes, that is obvious, despite the fact that such indiscriminate weapons have no legitimacy.
    Weapons are neither legitimate nor illegitimate. They are effective or ineffective. Necessary or unnecessary. Cheap or expensive. Etc., etc. etc.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    As you clearly have your reasons for your statements. Eisenhower and LeMay were both involved, you and your buddy weren't even born.
    Giangreco was the first to make use of documents and records previously unavailable or overlooked.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Weapons are neither legitimate nor illegitimate. They are effective or ineffective. Necessary or unnecessary. Cheap or expensive. Etc., etc. etc.
    Defensive weapons are very legitimate. Only to freaks can killing women and children have legitimacy.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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