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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    You're the one who can't escape your ideological prison. There were ample atrocities on all sides in WW2. There was, however, no equivalence between the sides.
    There doesn't have to be equivalence to note that an atrocity is wrong. An act stands on it's own as being either just or wrong.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    All sides targeted civilians in WW2 and there's no point claiming otherwise. The difference is that Allied victory produced a vastly better world than Axis victory would have. And in the case of the nuclear weapons in Japan, their use saved millions of lives.
    Who's claiming otherwise, hmm. Do you want to search DP to see if I have. The point here is that you and your brethren project America as righteous, you justify the killing of children and women, you promote American hegemony, violence and exploitation upon some platitude that we are a shinning city on the hill, the bastion of democracy, the promoters of peace, love, equity and justice. When in fact we're just another people seeking wealth and prosperity at the expense of the weak. You know what you can do with your platitude?
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Indeed, but the Japanese projected (and were prepared to accept) 20 million casualties in an invasion, not to mention the one million Americans who would have been lost.
    More lies from the conservative crap that perpetuates hate for America.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I heard someone make the argument that Obama doesn't believe the US has any rightful role in preventing or hindering Iran from developing and maintaining nuclear weapons. I don't know that that's true, and nobody but the President can answer to what he believes, so I'll ask what you believe. If Iran has the ability, does it have the "right" to nuclear weapons? (By "right", I mean the U.S. and other nations would not be unjustified in trying to prevent it.)

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    No country should have the "RIGHT" to nuclear weapons, however if one is allowed to then all should be allowed to. It seems stupid to think that the only country to ever use a nuclear weapon, and we used two iirc, is somehow the determiner of who can "safely" have the technology.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert in Ohio View Post
    Then why is there such a controversy about Iran having a nuclear weapon, since weapons are just weapons and war is war?
    You'll find in time that Jack and his pals at DP will defend US atrocities at all cost. Filthy as it is.

    Atomic Weapons Were Not Needed to End the War or Save Lives

    Like all Americans, I was taught that the U.S. dropped nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in order to end WWII and save both American and Japanese lives.

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    The U.S. Strategic Bombing Survey group, assigned by President Truman to study the air attacks on Japan, produced a report in July of 1946 that concluded (52-56):

    Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey’s opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945 and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    War is war, and nuclear weapons are just weapons. Their use in Japan saved lives and enabled Allied victory.
    Yes, and you promote it. And you lie about nuclear weapons. They're not just weapons, they are indiscriminate and they have no legitimacy. But why would pigs have a problem with them, unless they are in the hands of others of course.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    It is in our interest for Iran not to have such weapons. It is in Iran's interest to have them.
    It is in America's interest to have them, and America has been the only country to have used them. It's in my interest to continue to expose you as a freak that justifies the use of nuclear weapons on children, women and old men to prove that you are the victor. One things certain, there are other powers, growing in the world at the moment that seek to arrest American hegemony and imperialism. It won't last forever.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Then maybe you need to do a little more research because those people are out there and for every one of them that is open about their desires, there are many more who would love the opportunity but say nothing.
    They're already doing everything I stated in Iran.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The only reason they don't is because secular society doesn't allow it. I'm sure you could find lots of extremist Christians who would be very happy to start executing gays, in fact, some asshat politician from California just suggested such a thing. And, of course, most of these people think that America is a gift from God, so seeing it burn is probably not an option, but the rest of the world? They don't really care.
    So iran, where 80% or more of the population wants shar'ia law, where gays are thrown off buildings while crowds watch, is the same as the modern christian world. Is that why all 7 countries that officially execute for homosexuality are muslim, not christian?

    About 2/3 of the US is Christian, so it's not the 1/3 who are secular who prevent atrocities. Roughly 70% of the country thinks gay relationships should be legal. That's not nearly high enough, but executions? Probably more like 10-15%, the same fringe of radicals who think AIDS is divine justice. Unlike in iran though, i'm confident their numbers will continue to dwindle


    http://www.christianitytoday.com/ima...pg?h=429&w=550

    From the federal "general social survey," you can see that the generational gap is as big a predictor of support for gay rights as religious affiliation. Yes, half of americans want a state religion, but what that entails is far diff from shar'ia law

    Comparing ISIS to 1600s Christianity or 2015 uganda is one thing, but what you're doing just makes atheists look delusional. You fail to appreciate or even acknowledge the progress that has been made.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    And, likely, millions of Japanese lives. Somehow that always gets left out.
    i feel this is getting off track, but i can't let slide revisionism that pretends americans in 1940s gave a rat's ass about this, not while they were forcing americans of japanese descent into camps, and the bombs very nearly did not lead to a surrender anyway

    of course after all the efforts building the damn thing, it was going to be used no matter what

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