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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    No one has the right to have nukes.

    But if one country has the "right", then all must have the "right".
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Well, I find it a bit odd that people express so much fear about Iran possessing nuke capabilities and don't see the need to shut down Pakistan's nuke bomb program. That's a disaster waiting to happen. In fact, I would worry much more about Pakistan than say North Korea or Iran (at this particular moment). Radical groups like ISIS - already know where their prize is. They don't have to wait for nuke programs to be developed in the Middle East. It's there for the taking. Pakistani government officials don't have all that much control over the bombs they have. And Pakistan has, on a number of occasions, threatened to nuke India.

    But to answer the poll. No, Iran shouldn't have a nuke bomb program.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    You might as well ask if Nazi Germany had a right to take over most of Europe to gain lebensraum. Sometimes you only have a right to a thing if you can make it stick.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    You might as well ask if Nazi Germany had a right to take over most of Europe to gain lebensraum. Sometimes you only have a right to a thing if you can make it stick.
    Nobody has a "right" to nuclear weapons, they only have the "ability" to have them. People spend way too much time concerned with "rights", which really don't exist.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I heard someone make the argument that Obama doesn't believe the US has any rightful role in preventing or hindering Iran from developing and maintaining nuclear weapons. I don't know that that's true, and nobody but the President can answer to what he believes, so I'll ask what you believe. If Iran has the ability, does it have the "right" to nuclear weapons? (By "right", I mean the U.S. and other nations would not be unjustified in trying to prevent it.)

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    Rights are claimed, demanded. I suppose Iran has the right to do whatever they wish, even create a nuclear weapon. It would be much better if we were talking about the elimination of nuclear weapons, completely, seems that's yet far off though. If anybody has a right to them, then everybody has a right to them. And if Iran is to be denied them on the merits that they might use them, then certainly the only country that ever has used them ought to have them taken away so that they're not used again.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    From a Realist perspective, they have the "right" to whatever they can get away with.

    We, in turn, have the "right" to impede them in such pursuits if it goes against our own interests.

    At the end of the day, it's really as simple as that. Iran has an agenda, and we have an agenda. Unfortunately, those agendas simply happen to be mutually incompatible.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Iran could conceivably already possess several nuclear devices and possibly a means to deliver.
    You're privy to knowledge unknown to both US and Israeli intelligence services?
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    I am going to go with "other" on this one, mainly because of the inherent flaws with the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons.

    I think India's complaint was best phrased. Basically their lack of interest in signing the agreement was not because of its lack of commitment for non-proliferation, but rather because the treaty was flawed enough that it did not explicitly suggest a universal and non-discriminatory application of the agreement. Because of, it is easy to argue that the current treaty creates an exclusive club of those with these weapons and a much larger group of those without. But the treaty does not do a very good job in suggesting the ethical or moral grounds for why there is a distinction of those nations "trusted" with them vs. the grounds for other nations to not be trusted.

    Basically, the whole thing is hypocritical making this poll a bit nonsensical because of how useless these agreements are. Plenty of nations still have nukes, most under the agreement but a few who never signed it. While I would not be thrilled at all for Iran to have a nuclear weapon we have some underline flaws in determining why, especially with a nation like Iran who also has signed it but never really stayed in compliance to the content of most the UN Security Council.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Well, I find it a bit odd that people express so much fear about Iran possessing nuke capabilities and don't see the need to shut down Pakistan's nuke bomb program. That's a disaster waiting to happen. In fact, I would worry much more about Pakistan than say North Korea or Iran (at this particular moment). Radical groups like ISIS - already know where their prize is. They don't have to wait for nuke programs to be developed in the Middle East. It's there for the taking. Pakistani government officials don't have all that much control over the bombs they have. And Pakistan has, on a number of occasions, threatened to nuke India.

    But to answer the poll. No, Iran shouldn't have a nuke bomb program.
    There's no doubt that the Pakistani nuclear program is a dangerous thing, and that the fear that any nuclear weapon they may hold might fall to the wrong hands is a rational and logical one - but in the case of Iran there isn't even the fear that it might fall to the wrong hands as it already will be in the wrong hands.

    There is not much difference between the Iranian government, which is really the largest representative of radical Shiite Islam, and organizations such as ISIS, Boko Haram, Hezbollah, al-Qaeda etc. The Iranian government including the revolutionary guard and the Mullahs are a branch of radical Islam and are just as dangerous as any of these organizations (and by the way Hezbollah is practically the Iranian government).

    I see no logic at all in the words of those who are claiming that perhaps due to the fact that the Ayatollah and the rest are leading a nation they are somehow more rational or logical than these radical Islamic organizations. It doesn't make them more rational, it doesn't make them more logical, they are just as much as nutjobs as every other Islamic terrorist out there and letting them hold nuclear weapons will probably be the greatest mistake of modern age.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    You're privy to knowledge unknown to both US and Israeli intelligence services?
    I know the history of Iran's relationship with Russia, China , Pakistan and North Korea....all nuclear powers.

    Then there's this:

    Iran Unveils New Ground-Based Cruise Missile System > Strategic-Culture.org - Strategic Culture Foundation
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