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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    It was chosen. Those happen to be the five permanent members of the UN Security Council.
    Largely because they muscled their way in. I'm sure lots of other nations would love to be on the council, those five nations keep them out. A "permanent member" isn't chosen, any more than a "permanent president" would be.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Largely because they muscled their way in. I'm sure lots of other nations would love to be on the council, those five nations keep them out. A "permanent member" isn't chosen, any more than a "permanent president" would be.
    They were chosen by unanimous agreement when the UN was founded.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    They were chosen by unanimous agreement when the UN was founded.
    And nothing has changed since then? Nobody might want to change their mind?
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    From a Realist perspective, they have the "right" to whatever they can get away with.

    We, in turn, have the "right" to impede them in such pursuits if it goes against our own interests.

    At the end of the day, it's really as simple as that. Iran has an agenda, and we have an agenda. Unfortunately, those agendas simply happen to be mutually incompatible.

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    When we speak of global events, nation to nation, or nation vs nation....rights become largely irrelevant. MIGHT is the order of the day.



    And no, Iran does not have the MIGHT to prevent us from preventing them from developing nuclear munitions of any sort.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    And nothing has changed since then? Nobody might want to change their mind?
    That's what "permanent" means. And there have been changes. China replaced Taiwan in the China seat, and Russia replaced the USSR.

    Don't get me wrong; I think the NPT is probably unsustainable over the long term because of the inequality that bothers you. However, those who want to end it should understand that the equality they achieve will come at the price of more nuclear danger.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    That's what "permanent" means. And there have been changes. China replaced Taiwan in the China seat, and Russia replaced the USSR.

    Don't get me wrong; I think the NPT is probably unsustainable over the long term because of the inequality that bothers you. However, those who want to end it should understand that the equality they achieve will come at the price of more nuclear danger.
    It has nothing to do with inequality, it has to do with reality. The nuclear genie is out of the bottle and can never be put back in. The technology is there to make nukes, like it or not. Any country that wants a nuke enough will eventually get one. It is foolish to pretend otherwise. There are countries out there that have nukes that I think have no business with them, that doesn't stop them from having them. The fact is, having nukes is a huge deterrent to being attacked, particularly by the U.S. After 9/11, instead of going after Pakistan and Saudi Arabia (which supposedly has no nukes, although it openly helps with the nuclear programs, even military nuclear programs, of other Arab nations), those places from which the actual attackers came from and were trained, we went into Afghanistan and Iraq. I can maybe understand Afghanistan. Iraq though? That was a witch hunt. We just don't go after any countries with a nuclear capability. We can't kick sand in their faces. They can actually fight back and hurt us. If it was up to me, I'd give a single nuke to every country on the planet, with the understanding that if they ever used it, they'd be blasted into molten sand. It would help keep the peace better than anything we've got now.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    That's what "permanent" means. And there have been changes. China replaced Taiwan in the China seat, and Russia replaced the USSR.

    Don't get me wrong; I think the NPT is probably unsustainable over the long term because of the inequality that bothers you. However, those who want to end it should understand that the equality they achieve will come at the price of more nuclear danger.
    Agreed. It should be repaired, not eliminated. It would not be a bad idea to eliminate nuclear weapons globally though.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Your opponents arguments haven't really been that nations have a "right" to nuclear arms, it's been that it's insanely hypocritical for us to try to enforce massive sanctions and even threaten war over something we have and refuse to give up.
    The actors involved are important, as are intentions. Merely possessing or desiring the same items does not make it hypocritical. Is it hypocritical of responsible gun owners to want laws against gun ownership for those with violent criminal histories or stated intentions? Of course not. In this case, one country has stated a desire to wipe out an entire country and has a strong distaste for a particular ethnicity. That is not in any way analogous to potentially using them as a means to end an ongoing war.

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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It has nothing to do with inequality, it has to do with reality. The nuclear genie is out of the bottle and can never be put back in. The technology is there to make nukes, like it or not. Any country that wants a nuke enough will eventually get one. It is foolish to pretend otherwise. There are countries out there that have nukes that I think have no business with them, that doesn't stop them from having them. The fact is, having nukes is a huge deterrent to being attacked, particularly by the U.S. After 9/11, instead of going after Pakistan and Saudi Arabia (which supposedly has no nukes, although it openly helps with the nuclear programs, even military nuclear programs, of other Arab nations), those places from which the actual attackers came from and were trained, we went into Afghanistan and Iraq. I can maybe understand Afghanistan. Iraq though? That was a witch hunt. We just don't go after any countries with a nuclear capability. We can't kick sand in their faces. They can actually fight back and hurt us. If it was up to me, I'd give a single nuke to every country on the planet, with the understanding that if they ever used it, they'd be blasted into molten sand. It would help keep the peace better than anything we've got now.
    The invasion of Iraq had nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11, and was in fact on the GWB agenda from the moment he took the oath. The attackers trained in Afghanistan; that's why we went there. The fact that the 9/11 attackers were Saudi citizens does not implicate the Saudi government.

    There was no country we might have attacked after 9/11 that had any capability to strike us with nuclear weapons.

    The more countries that have nuclear weapons the more likely it is that nuclear weapons will be used.
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    Re: Does Iran have a "Right" to Nuclear Weapons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Agreed. It should be repaired, not eliminated. It would not be a bad idea to eliminate nuclear weapons globally though.
    Nuclear weapons will never be eliminated. They will almost certainly be used in the 21st century.
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