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    Does the GOP Conservative,really believe in the U.S.Constitution ?

    Do the GOP Conservative believe in the Constitution only when it suit their agenda,or for what the Constitution really means? Do the GOP think the founding Fathers got it wrong when they wrote the U.S.Constitution ?3


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    Re: Does the GOP Conservative,really believe in the U.S.Constitution ?

    The GOP appears to have a better understanding of the constitution (on a broader scale) than the democrats but in the end still has an incomplete understanding.

    Look towards the libertarian party for an even more complete understanding...

    Also, there is no poll even though this is in the polls section.
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    Re: Does the GOP Conservative,really believe in the U.S.Constitution ?

    It sure seems like political convenience when the Constitution is important or not, and that appears to apply to both (D) and (R) depending upon the subject we are talking about.

    Speak of, which issue are you talking about?
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    Re: Does the GOP Conservative,really believe in the U.S.Constitution ?

    Quote Originally Posted by oncewas View Post
    Do the GOP Conservative believe in the Constitution only when it suit their agenda,or for what the Constitution really means? Do the GOP think the founding Fathers got it wrong when they wrote the U.S.Constitution ?3
    Of course...let's go ahead and state the ways Republicans open the door to certain actions that Republicans now call "un-Constitutional" when done by Democrats....

    Republican passed the Bush tax cuts through reconciliation...it was strictly a vote on Partisan lines and due to the huge cost actually had to have a 10 year sunset rule to not violate the Byrd Rule. No peep from the right.
    The ACA going through the same process? Biggest slap in the face of the founders.

    Bush administration stated that an executive agreement without Senate approval was kosher when discussing a long term status of forces agreement with the Iraqi government which could commit US troops in Iraq for the long term. Republicans? Defended the administrations statement.
    Now? Obama's executive agreement is super overreach because Congress has to be apart of any major agreement.

    Hillary Clinton using personnel email? She's probably up to something devious and she should be in deep water.
    Bush administration firing a large amount of attorney's based on suspected political motivations and then come to find out all the email traffic was on private accounts and deleted and purged? Oh, yeah...not a peep.

    There's no doubt the right wraps themselves in the constitution one moment then tears it up when they are in charge.
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    Re: Does the GOP Conservative,really believe in the U.S.Constitution ?

    Quote Originally Posted by oncewas View Post
    Do the GOP Conservative believe in the Constitution only when it suit their agenda,or for what the Constitution really means?
    I'd say a little of both.

    Everyone plucks what they want from the Constitution and related documents (e.g. DoI, Articles of Confederation) and ignore what is inconvenient. Everyone accuses their political opponents of constitutional infidelity when it's convenient. This has been the case almost since day one.


    Do the GOP think the founding Fathers got it wrong when they wrote the U.S.Constitution ?3
    No, they ignore inconvenient principles when required, as does everyone else.
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    Re: Does the GOP Conservative,really believe in the U.S.Constitution ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    The GOP appears to have a better understanding of the constitution (on a broader scale) than the democrats but in the end still has an incomplete understanding. Look towards the libertarian party for an even more complete understanding...
    lol

    Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. The ratifiers of the Constitution weren't libertarians; many of them, notably Washington and Hamilton, explicitly wrote the Constitution in order to develop a stronger central government than under the Articles of Confederation. They also passed the Alien and Sedition acts very early on, laws I doubt most libertarians would support.

    While it is obviously not radically malleable, in many ways the Constitution is a political Rorschach Test. People have an amazing ability to pluck out of it what they want, and accuse others of infidelity to its sacred tenets which only they can divine.

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    Re: Does the GOP Conservative,really believe in the U.S.Constitution ?

    It's pretty common place for just abotu anyone to ignore the Constitution when it is a detriment and preach it when it suits their political ends.
    The GOP loves standards. They love standards so much, they got two of them.

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    Re: Does the GOP Conservative,really believe in the U.S.Constitution ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    lol

    Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. The ratifiers of the Constitution weren't libertarians; many of them, notably Washington and Hamilton, explicitly wrote the Constitution in order to develop a stronger central government than under the Articles of Confederation. They also passed the Alien and Sedition acts very early on, laws I doubt most libertarians would support.

    While it is obviously not radically malleable, in many ways the Constitution is a political Rorschach Test. People have an amazing ability to pluck out of it what they want, and accuse others of infidelity to its sacred tenets which only they can divine.
    I agree with that somewhat, but this 'anything you want it to be' Constitution is a recent thing. It's the whole "living document" movement that has totally untethered the SCOTUS from their oath.

    But just for accuracy, it was Madison who wrote the bulk of the Constitution and we can see the debate of contributors to the writing in the Federalist Papers. So if you want to go off any founder's view, it should probably be Madison.

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    Re: Does the GOP Conservative,really believe in the U.S.Constitution ?

    Quote Originally Posted by oncewas View Post
    Do the GOP Conservative believe in the Constitution only when it suit their agenda,or for what the Constitution really means? Do the GOP think the founding Fathers got it wrong when they wrote the U.S.Constitution ?3
    both sides use it to push their own agendas and forget about it when it's inconvenient. Republicans talk about it a lot more right now, but that's because they don't currently occupy the White House. during the next Republican administration, left wing constitutional scholars will come crawling out of the woodwork again.

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    Re: Does the GOP Conservative,really believe in the U.S.Constitution ?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Of course...let's go ahead and state the ways Republicans open the door to certain actions that Republicans now call "un-Constitutional" when done by Democrats....

    Republican passed the Bush tax cuts through reconciliation...it was strictly a vote on Partisan lines and due to the huge cost actually had to have a 10 year sunset rule to not violate the Byrd Rule. No peep from the right.
    The ACA going through the same process? Biggest slap in the face of the founders.

    Bush administration stated that an executive agreement without Senate approval was kosher when discussing a long term status of forces agreement with the Iraqi government which could commit US troops in Iraq for the long term. Republicans? Defended the administrations statement.
    Now? Obama's executive agreement is super overreach because Congress has to be apart of any major agreement.

    Hillary Clinton using personnel email? She's probably up to something devious and she should be in deep water.
    Bush administration firing a large amount of attorney's based on suspected political motivations and then come to find out all the email traffic was on private accounts and deleted and purged? Oh, yeah...not a peep.

    There's no doubt the right wraps themselves in the constitution one moment then tears it up when they are in charge.
    A vote by reconciliation and email violations are not constitutional issues.

    The president may sign an agreement, but it's only good so long as he is President. What the Republicans are saying is that agreements that Obama signs will only last as long as he is President unless the Senate votes to make it a formal treaty. The same applied to Bush.

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