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Thread: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    That Obama, or any other president, does not have the authority to make a binding deal is a fact, not in implication.
    Although that's not what republicans have been arguing all these months. They've been arguing that a deal that isn't even complete is a bad deal.
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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Yeah, its totally unprecedented for a president to negotiate a deal with an foreign government without congressional approval.... I mean its only happened hundreds of times. As the letter points out, if the Republicans don't like the deal they can simply ignore it if they win the presidency in 2016.
    Or, the Republicans can simply not ratify the treaty or rescind with a new president. Which is what the letter points out.

    Last I knew pointing out truths is not a treasonist act.

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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Your last sentence is exactly why there is no point in Obama trying to involve congress in the negotiations. The party that controls the congress he would have to involve in such negotiations has a base that is so crazy they believe that Obama wants Iran to go nuclear because of his "Muslim sympathies". Given the choice of having the president negotiate an agreement or allowing the input of a bunch of nutjobs, I think we are better off with leaving it to the president. If the deal is bad, the next president can simply ignore it.
    Here's the problem as I see it. Your political perspective makes you believe that the Republicans in congress are nut jobs. Many of us believe that Obama has usurped congressional authority and made the executive branch more powerful than is constitutionally mandated. It's a theory that I use to discuss on another board during the Bush years called the Unitary Executive theory. Here are the facts. Another president may have been impeached given the executive over reach and usurpation of congressional legislative authority Obama has displayed. Congress has no stomach for impeachment and would and should not go down in history as impeaching the first half black president. Obama knows this and is emboldened to do whatever he wants to do. That's why rather than impeachment congress has resorted to law suits and letters to foreign leaders. The branches of our government are supposed to be co equal and the only way congress can let Obama know that they have a seat at the table is to go to extraordinary lengths to be heard. None of this would be necessary if Obama would be transparent and collegial with congress.
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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by oncewas View Post
    Things are being done in the House and Senate that's never been done before now. Should the Senators that sent the letter to Iran, be punished for this acted against Obama, and the country?
    1. Obama is not King. There is no ability to commit "treason against Obama".

    2. This is not in any way, shape, or form grounds for a charge let alone a conviction of treason.

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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Senators and Congressmen act in the best interest of the people they represent (theoretically). They do not have to act in Obama's best interest, not are they subservient to the executive branch.
    The SCOTUS disagrees: "Not only . . . is the federal power over external affairs in origin and essential character different from that over internal affairs, but participation in the exercise of the power is significantly limited. In this vast external realm, with its important, complicated, delicate and manifold problems, the President alone has the power to speak or listen as a representative of the nation. He makes treaties with the advice and consent of the Senate; but he alone negotiates. Into the field of negotiation the Senate cannot intrude; and Congress itself is powerless to invade it."{emphasis added} United States v Curtiss-Wright Exp Corp, 299 US 304, 319; 57 S Ct 216, 220; 81 L Ed 255 (1936))
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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    1. Obama is not King. There is no ability to commit "treason against Obama".

    2. This is not in any way, shape, or form grounds for a charge let alone a conviction of treason.
    But there is cause to charge them with violating the Logan Act:

    1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. 953, enacted January 30, 1799

    Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

    This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.
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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    I don't think what they did was terribly professional. But I also don't think that what they did was illegal. And it most definitely does not qualify as an "act of treason".
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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by oncewas View Post
    Things are being done in the House and Senate that's never been done before now. Should the Senators that sent the letter to Iran, be punished for this acted against Obama, and the country?
    I must confess. I've said many bad things against King Obama in my years here at DP. Fortunately, I'm not a citizen of the USA so I can't be tried for treason. Similarly, I'm thankful I'm not a citizen of North Korea.
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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by MTAtech View Post
    But there is cause to charge them with violating the Logan Act
    1. Which is entirely irrelevant to the topic of this thread, which is whether or not they committed treason.

    2. There's legitimate questions regarding the "authority of the United States" when it comes to an elected official as opposed to a normal citizen

    3. Precedence suggests that such actions are either, at best, not a violation of the Logan Act or, at worst, not compelling enough to justify charges being brought when it relates to an elected federal official engaging in the correspondence.

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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    I'm curious. How is what the Republican Senators did any different than what Obama did, or any President, in relation to any threat he makes to veto legislation Congress may adopt? Likewise, Senators and Representatives, both Republican and Democrat, have had discussions with Canadian diplomats and Canadian government ministers as well as the Prime Minister of Canada in relation to the Keystone XL Pipeline debate. Should that be considered treasonous considering Obama's ever changing position on the pipeline?
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