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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Not treason, but indicative of what happens when you have a highly polarized group of tea party morons who show their idiocy doing things like this.
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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I can say definitively that many people do not want any deal with Iran.
    That would make those people complete and utter fools.

    If a good deal is there to be had, it should be taken, but not taking the time to find out is absolutely foolish because the only other alternatives are further sanctions which will not work and war.

    Which one are you comfortable with?

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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    All I can say is that if the Democrats pulled a stunt like this when Bush was in office, the Republicans, talk radio hosts, and most of the commentators on Fox News would be calling it treason and would be calling for the trial and execution of every senator that signed the letter.

    I don't think its treason though. Just a douchebag thing to do.
    If you are concerned about douchebaggery, how do you feel about Obama using his pen and his phone to go it alone on a nuclear arms deal with Iran. Do you believe that congress should have a say in the final work product or are you willing to take Obama on face value understanding that his sympathies lie with the Muslim world and his sanctions against Iran are most likely going to eventually let them have a nuclear arsinal.
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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Too bad they ****ed up explaining the treaty process.
    From what I read and heard, the letter made no attempt at negotiating a treaty. The letter simply pointed out publicly that Obama on his own did make foreign policy decisions on his own, but required the agreement of Congress. Something I would guess Iranian diplomats already knew.

    I think the letter was a good move. It reminded Obama of some facts of politics, and put a stop to, or at least slowed, Obama's man who would be king policies.

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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    If you are concerned about douchebaggery, how do you feel about Obama using his pen and his phone to go it alone on a nuclear arms deal with Iran. Do you believe that congress should have a say in the final work product or are you willing to take Obama on face value understanding that his sympathies lie with the Muslim world and his sanctions against Iran are most likely going to eventually let them have a nuclear arsinal.
    Your last sentence is exactly why there is no point in Obama trying to involve congress in the negotiations. The party that controls the congress he would have to involve in such negotiations has a base that is so crazy they believe that Obama wants Iran to go nuclear because of his "Muslim sympathies". Given the choice of having the president negotiate an agreement or allowing the input of a bunch of nutjobs, I think we are better off with leaving it to the president. If the deal is bad, the next president can simply ignore it.
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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And you really think these actions are the same thing?
    No, I think Pelosi's actions are atrocious, abusive, and enabled someone who was killing American soldiers, sailors, and Marines, while the Republicans actions simply informed the Iranian leadership about US Constitutional order.

    But both would count as the Legislature inserting itself into the foreign policy debate in a way that (broadly) opposed the intents of the Executive (in Bush's example the intent to put pressure on Assad to get him to stop, in Obama's example the intent to be able to wave a piece of paper and declare Peace In Our Time), which is what seems to be so incensing you .

    That sort of partisan knee jerk response is not even worthy of a serious analysis.
    So... basically.... no. You are unable to either admit that your own "team" has done far worse, or admit your hypocrisy, and so you choose to try to ignore. How astonishing .

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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    That would make those people complete and utter fools.

    If a good deal is there to be had, it should be taken, but not taking the time to find out is absolutely foolish because the only other alternatives are further sanctions which will not work and war.

    Which one are you comfortable with?
    I'm not comfortable with putting any faith in Iran. I'm also not comfortable with how much you probably think we need to roll over for Iran for you to term something a "good deal".

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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by oncewas View Post
    Things are being done in the House and Senate that's never been done before now. Should the Senators that sent the letter to Iran, be punished for this acted against Obama, and the country?
    I don't know about treason. Disrespectful of the executive branch, undermining, sure.
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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    How am I moving any goalposts here? You might want to educate yourself as to what that phrase means.

    The letter implies that Obama doesn't have the authority to make a binding deal.
    That Obama, or any other president, does not have the authority to make a binding deal is a fact, not in implication.

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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Your last sentence is exactly why there is no point in Obama trying to involve congress in the negotiations. The party that controls the congress he would have to involve in such negotiations has a base that is so crazy they believe that Obama wants Iran to go nuclear because of his "Muslim sympathies". Given the choice of having the president negotiate an agreement or allowing the input of a bunch of nutjobs, I think we are better off with leaving it to the president. If the deal is bad, the next president can simply ignore it.
    Right, no nutjobs on the left. Like it or not, those people were elected just as the president was. You're saying it's ok to just bypass whoever disagrees with you? Remember you said that because you better be consistent about it. Your unwavering loyalty to Obama and the Democrats is admirable, I suppose.

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