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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    How am I moving any goalposts here? You might want to educate yourself as to what that phrase means.

    The letter implies that Obama doesn't have the authority to make a binding deal.
    Ok, fair enough, it does imply that and you're right, there is no doubt as to the intent of the letter. It's to undermine and even attempt to prevent a deal being reached with Iran. I just think you may be over estimating how much people in the US want that deal, especially one negotiated entirely by the Obama administration.

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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    That's alright.....no need to show us what you can't figure out in the first place.
    Yeah, because, you know, there was no vitriolic hate against Bush. It was all rational and justified. I'm beginning to wonder if some around here just weren't even alive during the Bush administration.

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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Ok, fair enough, it does imply that and you're right, there is no doubt as to the intent of the letter. It's to undermine and even attempt to prevent a deal being reached with Iran. I just think you may be over estimating how much people in the US want that deal, especially one negotiated entirely by the Obama administration.
    Here is how he moved the Goal Posts.....From what CPW asked him. Note how he came back with the Whole letter. Despite being asked which parts. When asked about parts do you just say here.....just take the whole thing.


    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The only people I've seen upset about this are liberals (whom I suspect are rather ready for the headlines to shift away from Hillary's email servers)

    But here is the text of the letter:

    It has come to our attention while observing your nuclear negotiations with our government that you may not fully understand our constitutional system. Thus, we are writing to bring to your attention two features of our Constitution—the power to make binding international agreements and the different character of federal offices—which you should seriously consider as negotiations progress.

    First, under our Constitution, while the president negotiates international agreements, Congress plays the significant role of ratifying them. In the case of a treaty, the Senate must ratify it by a two-thirds vote. A so-called congressional-executive agreement requires a majority vote in both the House and the Senate (which, because of procedural rules, effectively means a three-fifths vote in the Senate). Anything not approved by Congress is a mere executive agreement.

    Second, the offices of our Constitution have different characteristics. For example, the president may serve only two 4-year terms, whereas senators may serve an unlimited number of 6-year terms. As applied today, for instance, President Obama will leave office in January 2017, while most of us will remain in office well beyond then—perhaps decades.

    What these two constitutional provisions mean is that we will consider any agreement regarding your nuclear-weapons program that is not approved by the Congress as nothing more than an executive agreement between President Obama and Ayatollah Khamenei. The next president could revoke such an executive agreement with the stroke of a pen and future Congresses could modify the terms of the agreement at any time.

    We hope this letter enriches your knowledge of our constitutional system and promotes mutual understanding and clarity as nuclear negotiations progress.


    Please feel free to point out to us the parts that you feel are particularly controversial.

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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Yeah, because, you know, there was no vitriolic hate against Bush. It was all rational and justified. I'm beginning to wonder if some around here just weren't even alive during the Bush administration.
    Well it was hard to deflect to Bush.....so the fall back is any that lean to the Right. Then point how all do the same thing while rewriting their revisionist alternate reality.

    But no really.....they are Independent and Bi-partisan and they use smart power.

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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    It wasn't treason but it was stupid, ill considered, and makes the U.S. look like a joke to rest of the world. If they want to crush a potential deal then they should at least do it through legislation. And other Republicans are coming out against the letter as well.

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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    The letter implies that Obama doesn't have the authority to make a binding deal.
    It doesn't imply that at all. It straight out states that. Why? Because it is absolutely true. No President has the authority to make a binding deal with other countries. They have the authority to negotiate a deal. But it is Congress that makes that deal binding. Without their approval the next sitting President can nullify that deal with a simple EO.

    Article 2, section 2, paragraph 2.
    He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur
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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    It's not illegal, but the GOP just handed the Dems an unbelievable electoral cudgel. What a breathtakingly stupid maneuver.
    You mean like when Pelosi went to visit Assad in Syria in 2007?

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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by oncewas View Post
    Things are being done in the House and Senate that's never been done before now. Should the Senators that sent the letter to Iran, be punished for this acted against Obama, and the country?
    1: This is not the first time, nor will it more than likely be the last that Senators have sent letters to foreign countries.

    2: No one can commit treason against a specific person. Only against their nation. And that certainly did not happen here. Unless you consider providing information (which anyone and everyone has access to know and learn) on how our government actually works is treasonous?

    3: I see no problem with the letter that they sent. It explains to them how our government works. IMO any country should know how the country that they are negotiating with works. That seems like simple common sense logic to me. It also lets Iran know that whatever deal they try to make is going to have to get past more than just a sitting President. IE: What ever deal is struck had better be a good one in order for Congress to approve it and make it last beyond one sitting President.
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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    It doesn't imply that at all. It straight out states that. Why? Because it is absolutely true. No President has the authority to make a binding deal with other countries. They have the authority to negotiate a deal. But it is Congress that makes that deal binding. Without their approval the next sitting President can nullify that deal with a simple EO.

    Article 2, section 2, paragraph 2.
    Mornin KS. Do you think any of the leftists figured out the part about Iran submitting the deal to their Parliament over any treaties?

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    Re: Did the GOP Senators commit a Treason act against Obama and the Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin KS. Do you think any of the leftists figured out the part about Iran submitting the deal to their Parliament over any treaties?
    Howdy MMC. Nope. From what I can tell all this fake outrage is just them trying to get the media to stop reporting on what went on with Hillary's email scandal. Pretty standard stuff though no matter what side of the aisle you're on. Make other side look bad while trying to hide the bad in your side. Frankly, I'm sick of it.

    Edit: Now that I think about it, another aspect to this that really doesn't surprise me is that they are ignoring that what the letter states is actually true. Which means that once again, they are ignoring the Constitution. A common theme of late.
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